http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8354740.stm
Is it a 'human right' to less detectable in a criminal investigation?
Two extracts, for and against:
FOR
"Last year I was accused of assaulting a bouncer at a casino in Newcastle.
I hadn't done it, but I spent a night in a cell until the CCTV footage was available to prove that I hadn't.
Obviously I had my DNA sampled, they took a cheek swab from me. I didn't really mind at the time.
And I have no problem with them keeping my DNA profile indefinitely.
I would have thought that the only people worried about this happening are those who think that they may be likely to commit a crime in the future?
I appreciate there is a case for "innocent until proven guilty". But if you're innocent - why worry?"
AGAINST:
In 2004, I was attacked on my way home by two men, after which I was arrested on the charge of a affray.
My DNA was taken. But it was later proved that the police were mistaken in arresting me and no charge was brought.
I have since written to my MP several times about getting my DNA removed from the database.
I believed that police could not remain unbiased towards me or anyone on the database.
And this was confirmed two months ago...
Full article at link.
The second guy was missing the point. The police didn't react the way they did because they checked the DNA database. They reacted the way they did because his name was on a list. Those really are not the same thing. He could have been on a police list for anything and the reaction would have been the same. His problem is not the storage of DNA, it is the maintenance of the list.
AntwortenLöschenAnd for the record, we have the same problem here with the terrorist watch list, because someone just USING your name as an alias can get you treated as a suspicious person at an airport. Nothing more than the name. No DNA sampling required.
There is an insidious infiltration into our lives by people who are meant to stand up for our rights and security. When a person is arrested it is routine for them to have their finger prints and DNA taken. If the charges are proved false, there should be no reason to keep any information which has been taken.
AntwortenLöschenI know of a teacher and several care workers and youth workers who have been accused of crimes against children, all of which have been proved to be false accusations. In one case the person involved committed suicide before the girl admitted that it was her boyfriend who had had sex with her not the youth worker. In all of these cases where the accusations have been proved to be lies, the men (and a woman) who have been accused will never be allowed to work with children again, and their details and DNA will be kept on file forever more. That is despite the ruling today... how can that ever be justice? If you want to protect children, get the perps, not the victims of false allegations. The same goes for those proved innocent of other crimes, if we allow the police to randomly keep DNA information on anyone accused of anything, we are heading to a police state. Think about all the other information we are having kept about us on other government systems... let alone that which is being kept by things like store loyalty cards!!
It still isn't the DNA or the fingerprints that is the problem - the problem is the list: in this case the sex offender list. That is a separate issue from the keeping of fingerprints or DNA. There is a program to get the fingerprints of any child born. It is voluntary, and it can resolve missing person cases in a hurry if the child is kidnapped and made to say the kidnapper is the parent. This would have helped immensely in the Elizabeth Smart case for example. Having your child's fingerprints in that database does not put them on any negative list.
AntwortenLöschenIf you are going to go after something. go after what the real problem is, not the red herring. The real problem is the government maintenance of lists.
Civil servants here are great at losing our personal data, leaving laptops and memory sticks on trains etc. Local paper here recently carried a story I noticed about cancer patients' data going missing from Surrey hospitals.
AntwortenLöschenhttp://ukliberty.wordpress.com/data-loss/
"This page contains links to articles in the media about the loss of data from the public and private sectors in the UK."
they will think that the attacks and arrest have made you resentfull ,and you may hit somebody later on ,And then they will be ready when the skin of you´re knuckles is embedded in some unfortunate criminals chin.
AntwortenLöschenAfter all we live in a democracy.
As you can probably imagine I`m all for the Database. IMO, it doesn`t go far enough. I`m all for everyone`s DNA being on there.
AntwortenLöschenWhat aboutthe Queen?
AntwortenLöschenYep, why not.
AntwortenLöschenFascist reptile.
AntwortenLöschenlol
AntwortenLöschenCatch me if you can, Nanny State. No surrender.
AntwortenLöschenThat`s the best you can do? Hahaha
AntwortenLöschenDo your mates at work know you hang out with a load of Swampies and peaceniks?
AntwortenLöschenNot unless IT put a keylogger on my computer the last time I took it in for them to look at ;~}
AntwortenLöschenDo your swampy peacenik mates know you hang out with a pig online?
That bacon looks pretty ........ gross
AntwortenLöschenStrictly business... nothing faith related. I wouldn't joke about that.
AntwortenLöschenBig Jobbie.
AntwortenLöschenSorry, I'm enjoying this too much. Back in a minute.... going for a smoke
AntwortenLöschenYeah, I`ll hang around waiting for you
AntwortenLöschenthat looks realy good,not much fried Bacon in Mexico
AntwortenLöschenWhat if she refused,should she be arrested and beaten as well.
AntwortenLöschenHilarious.
AntwortenLöschenImagine what you could get for the tickets to see that... In this corner, weighing in at 98 pounds, her magistracy (yeah I know, wrong word ;)) the queen. In the blue trunks, weighing 250 pounds, the arresting officer. Poor Bloke, but he has it coming...
AntwortenLöschenThat reminds me, I must burn the Deer Hunter
AntwortenLöschenAt the stake I guess?
AntwortenLöschenPrivate Police Provoke Paranoia:
AntwortenLöschenhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8359948.stm
Scares the crap out of me.
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