Hi all, a little while since I posted here. How is everyone?
I've just been looking at a topic which attracts much controversy, popular in 'conspiracy theory' circles, one which I would like to see well and truly debunked, in typical fashion for this group... but not because I think it's nonsense. As always, I figure that if we can eliminate all the crap, what's left standing after scrutiny from all angles, must be close to the truth, right?
I was drawn into a 'debate' today, with someone ranting the usual script about the 'NWO' and how they are all a Jewish cabal of Luciferian Freemasons, or something. This was not on Multiply... I'm afraid it's even worse than that. You may know that while some of that does have basis in reality, it's not something I take all that seriously, and I'm more often a little sarcastic and dismissive. I think such things are mostly exclusive to people who believe in tooth fairies and Santa Claus, if you know what I mean?
Then he brought up the Georgia Guidestones. (roll 'Infowars' soundbite...)
I had concluded long ago, without looking far into it, that they were no more than a work of art, a political statement, perhaps... but no more important to actual policy than a Banksy mural.
Following said debate, I promised my fellow 'combatants' I would research it a bit more (Wikipedia, Google etc)... and while I'm still not convinced the Stones are in actual use today as a guide by which governments decide policy, but rather the inscriptions on them are a... what's the right word...? Futuristic? Prophetic? An appeal to an 'Age of Reason'. Suggested wisdom then, rather than actual LAW, New World Order 2012 or not... but I didn't have to look farther than that soccer-Mom's favourite, Wikipedia, to realise that they do indeed seem to have been erected by (probably) Rosicrucians, with some serious money behind them.
After all, it's always about the money, right?
If you don't already know, in short the inscriptions these stones bear, in many modern languages and a few ancient ones, are controversial because they allude to population control and eugenics... 'maintain population below 50 million' (I think, that may be missing a zero... I'm not going to edit this) and 'guide reproduction, maintain diversity'. Even 'temper passion', suggesting some kind of sci-fi nightmare scenario where it is illegal to fall in love.
Opinions vary, as you can imagine. 'Repeats on the old one-eyed monster ad infinitum', as a friend elsewhere on Multiply said to me a week or two back.
So, after all the hysteria and pseudo-religious paranoia has been put aside, what's left? Turns out the lead candidate for financing the project (an anonymous individual by the pseudonym
'R C Christian') is philanthropist Ted Turner, founder of cable network, CNN, no less.
Anything here to chew on? Are these the same people who are (allegedly) spraying chemicals out of unmarked planes in criss-cross patterns over New York? Yoko Ono and others praise the words on the stones... but are they actual 'protocols'? Or just philosophy?
Facts, links, opinion, books, background... whatever you've got. I promised I wouldn't start out with a premise and attempt to prove myself correct. Over to you.
I've just been looking at a topic which attracts much controversy, popular in 'conspiracy theory' circles, one which I would like to see well and truly debunked, in typical fashion for this group... but not because I think it's nonsense. As always, I figure that if we can eliminate all the crap, what's left standing after scrutiny from all angles, must be close to the truth, right?
I was drawn into a 'debate' today, with someone ranting the usual script about the 'NWO' and how they are all a Jewish cabal of Luciferian Freemasons, or something. This was not on Multiply... I'm afraid it's even worse than that. You may know that while some of that does have basis in reality, it's not something I take all that seriously, and I'm more often a little sarcastic and dismissive. I think such things are mostly exclusive to people who believe in tooth fairies and Santa Claus, if you know what I mean?
Then he brought up the Georgia Guidestones. (roll 'Infowars' soundbite...)
I had concluded long ago, without looking far into it, that they were no more than a work of art, a political statement, perhaps... but no more important to actual policy than a Banksy mural.
Following said debate, I promised my fellow 'combatants' I would research it a bit more (Wikipedia, Google etc)... and while I'm still not convinced the Stones are in actual use today as a guide by which governments decide policy, but rather the inscriptions on them are a... what's the right word...? Futuristic? Prophetic? An appeal to an 'Age of Reason'. Suggested wisdom then, rather than actual LAW, New World Order 2012 or not... but I didn't have to look farther than that soccer-Mom's favourite, Wikipedia, to realise that they do indeed seem to have been erected by (probably) Rosicrucians, with some serious money behind them.
After all, it's always about the money, right?
If you don't already know, in short the inscriptions these stones bear, in many modern languages and a few ancient ones, are controversial because they allude to population control and eugenics... 'maintain population below 50 million' (I think, that may be missing a zero... I'm not going to edit this) and 'guide reproduction, maintain diversity'. Even 'temper passion', suggesting some kind of sci-fi nightmare scenario where it is illegal to fall in love.
Opinions vary, as you can imagine. 'Repeats on the old one-eyed monster ad infinitum', as a friend elsewhere on Multiply said to me a week or two back.
So, after all the hysteria and pseudo-religious paranoia has been put aside, what's left? Turns out the lead candidate for financing the project (an anonymous individual by the pseudonym
'R C Christian') is philanthropist Ted Turner, founder of cable network, CNN, no less.
Anything here to chew on? Are these the same people who are (allegedly) spraying chemicals out of unmarked planes in criss-cross patterns over New York? Yoko Ono and others praise the words on the stones... but are they actual 'protocols'? Or just philosophy?
Facts, links, opinion, books, background... whatever you've got. I promised I wouldn't start out with a premise and attempt to prove myself correct. Over to you.
The following is sourced entirely from Wikipedia. I nicked the best bits.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Turner
On 19 September 2006, Turner said in a Reuters Newsmaker conference, of Iran's nuclear position: "They're a sovereign state. We have 28,000. Why can't they have 10? We don't say anything about Israel — they've got 100 of them approximately — or India or Pakistan or Russia." He advocated banning men from public office: "Men should be barred from public office for 100 years in every part of the world... The men have had millions of years where we've been running things. We've screwed it up hopelessly. Let's give it to the women."[23]
Robert Edward "Ted" Turner III (born November 19, 1938)[2] is an American media mogul and philanthropist. As a businessman, he is known as founder of the cable news network CNN, the first dedicated 24-hour cable news channel. In addition, he founded WTBS, which pioneered the superstation concept in cable television. As a philanthropist, he is known for his $1 billion gift to support UN causes, which created the United Nations Foundation, a public charity to broaden support for the UN. Turner serves as Chairman of the United Nations Foundation board of directors.[3]
Turner once called observers of Ash Wednesday "Jesus freaks," though he apologized,[12] and dubbed opponents of abortion "bozos."[12]
Turner Broadcasting System, Inc merged with Time Warner, Inc. on October 10, 1996, with Turner as vice chairman and head of Time Warner's cable networks division. On January 11, 2001 Time Warner merged with AOL as AOL Time Warner. The company has since dropped "AOL" from its name. As of December 2009, AOL has been divorced from the company entirely.
Turner was vice-chairman and Time Warner's biggest stock holder. It is estimated he lost as much as $7 billion when the stock collapsed in the wake of the merger. He stepped down as vice chairman in 2006. When asked about buying back his former assets, he replies that he can't afford them now.[20]
A proponent of Obama’s healthcare bill, Turner has said: “We’re the only first world country that doesn’t have universal healthcare and it’s a disgrace.”[24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
In his article, "Decoding the Georgia Guidestones," Van Smith identifies three potential candidates as the true identity of R.C. Christian (Joe H. Fendley Sr., Dr. Francis Merchant, and Ted Turner). In the end, Smith concludes that Ted Turner is the most likely candidate for being R.C. Christian, stating, "Our investigation into the identity of Robert C. Christian has uncovered highly persuasive yet circumstantial evidence linking Robert Edward “Ted” Turner to the very center of the Georgia Guidestones originators. This evidence is so strong that we believe Ted Turner probably was R.C. Christian. At the very least, Turner probably knows who R.C. Christian is." [2]
Yoko Ono and others have praised the inscribed messages as "a stirring call to rational thinking," while opponents have labeled them as the "Ten Commandments of the Antichrist."[3]
The Georgia Guidestones is a large granite monument in Elbert County, Georgia, USA. A message comprising ten guides is inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages, and a shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure in four ancient languages' scripts: Babylonian, Classical Greek, Sanskrit, and Egyptian hieroglyphs.
In June 1979, an unknown person or persons under the pseudonym R.C. Christian hired Elberton Granite Finishing Company to build the structure.[3] One popular hypothesis is that the patron's pseudonym may be a tribute to the legendary 17th-century founder of Rosicrucianism, Christian Rosenkreuz.[3]
A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian.
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
On 19 September 2006, Turner said in a Reuters Newsmaker conference, of Iran's nuclear position: "They're a sovereign state. We have 28,000. Why can't they have 10? We don't say anything about Israel — they've got 100 of them approximately — or India or Pakistan or Russia." He advocated banning men from public office: "Men should be barred from public office for 100 years in every part of the world... The men have had millions of years where we've been running things. We've screwed it up hopelessly. Let's give it to the women."[23]Robert Edward "Ted" Turner III (born November 19, 1938)[2] is an American media mogul and philanthropist. As a businessman, he is known as founder of the cable news network CNN, the first dedicated 24-hour cable news channel. In addition, he founded WTBS, which pioneered the superstation concept in cable television. As a philanthropist, he is known for his $1 billion gift to support UN causes, which created the United Nations Foundation, a public charity to broaden support for the UN. Turner serves as Chairman of the United Nations Foundation board of directors.[3]
Turner once called observers of Ash Wednesday "Jesus freaks," though he apologized,[12] and dubbed opponents of abortion "bozos."[12]
Turner Broadcasting System, Inc merged with Time Warner, Inc. on October 10, 1996, with Turner as vice chairman and head of Time Warner's cable networks division. On January 11, 2001 Time Warner merged with AOL as AOL Time Warner. The company has since dropped "AOL" from its name. As of December 2009, AOL has been divorced from the company entirely.
Turner was vice-chairman and Time Warner's biggest stock holder. It is estimated he lost as much as $7 billion when the stock collapsed in the wake of the merger. He stepped down as vice chairman in 2006. When asked about buying back his former assets, he replies that he can't afford them now.[20]
A proponent of Obama’s healthcare bill, Turner has said: “We’re the only first world country that doesn’t have universal healthcare and it’s a disgrace.”[24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
In his article, "Decoding the Georgia Guidestones," Van Smith identifies three potential candidates as the true identity of R.C. Christian (Joe H. Fendley Sr., Dr. Francis Merchant, and Ted Turner). In the end, Smith concludes that Ted Turner is the most likely candidate for being R.C. Christian, stating, "Our investigation into the identity of Robert C. Christian has uncovered highly persuasive yet circumstantial evidence linking Robert Edward “Ted” Turner to the very center of the Georgia Guidestones originators. This evidence is so strong that we believe Ted Turner probably was R.C. Christian. At the very least, Turner probably knows who R.C. Christian is." [2]
Yoko Ono and others have praised the inscribed messages as "a stirring call to rational thinking," while opponents have labeled them as the "Ten Commandments of the Antichrist."[3]
The Georgia Guidestones is a large granite monument in Elbert County, Georgia, USA. A message comprising ten guides is inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages, and a shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure in four ancient languages' scripts: Babylonian, Classical Greek, Sanskrit, and Egyptian hieroglyphs.
In June 1979, an unknown person or persons under the pseudonym R.C. Christian hired Elberton Granite Finishing Company to build the structure.[3] One popular hypothesis is that the patron's pseudonym may be a tribute to the legendary 17th-century founder of Rosicrucianism, Christian Rosenkreuz.[3]
A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian.
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.[4]
It doesn't seem like there's much there. After all, it's no ancient mystery, just the auto-monument of some modern millionaire with enough cash to etch his opinions in stone (or concrete).
AntwortenLöschenBy the way, I've been to the Stonehenge near Hunt, Tx; built by Al Sheppard and Doug Hill. At least they left no inscriptions.