Donnerstag, 17. Februar 2011

do we have free will?

probably one of the reasons why people disagree about there being free will or not, is because we simply have different ideas (definitions) aboutf what “free will” really is.

One who says that free will does exist, might only go so far as to think “I can choose to drink coffee or tea, I can have either one but I’ll choose one of them because of free will as no one has forced one to choose one before the other and so this is one's free will”

Some take it a step further and think: What is the reason for choosing one before the other? Where do those preferences come from? and one can  sum up with two general categories: material-Genetic heritage and experiences.

Both of these categories stem from the environment (which is an apparently inevitable material one (material in the broadest sense), and as observations leads us to believe that everything that a person is, body and mind, come from the environment.
Every atom of your body and mind has originally been part of something else.
This is because one hasn’t existed since the beginning of time and atoms doesn’t just appear out of nothing and nor do they disappear into nothing.
So every part of one that is something must be somewhere and since something doesn’t just pop into existence, it must originally have come from somewhere-else.

So one  may not believe in free will because one might think that because for free will to exist, that will, must originally have come from one before. And since everything that one consists of originally comes from somewhere else than the one you are now.
One wouldn’t call that free-will  as one cannot choose the past which created the present one. (intermediate conclusion: one has no free will)

This explanation is good enough for some of us, but that’s probably because the above reflects  what one knows and means, or what one tried to make them mean.
So maybe some extra explanation is needed.

So what’s one's will? Is it what determines what one does?
Thinking, walking and making decisions is doing something.

May one believe that if one is for example, thinking, walking and making decisions, it isn’t originally the one as one doing the real thinking, walking and making of decisions. Because what one believes is that there are reasons for everything that one does, reasons which comes from somewhere else than one and reasons which oneu did not ultimately choose one-self. (a lot of ones ^_^)

The categories Material and genetic heritage and experiences,are everything that has made one the way one is. And both categories come from somewhere else than just you being one.

We know what is understood by genetic and material heritage: It’s the genome and social structure one is were born with and in.
our 42 chromosomes contains all the genes responsible for making the proteins which reacts with other substances in different ways and creates eventually a one-off.
Differences in the genetic code create individuals of different height, intelligence, hair colour, eye colour, musical talent, literature talent, disposition towards violence etc. And one can even be born with a society having a disposition toward republicans instead of democrats LOL..

Experiences: Is everything that affects one during his existence.
A mosquito sits down on one's arm and one slaps it, or don’t slap it, it affects this one either way.
A small wind which one barely even notices affects one.
Someone sharing one that they saw a movie last night; even though one doesn't remember the movie, it still affects one. Someone walking past one wearing a red scarf  or short skirt affects one. The light from far away stars as one looks up at the night sky, it makes the sky look slightly more full of stars than it would have without the light from that particular star. Maybe it makes one think “wow, clear sky tonight, this is awesome…the universe is so cool” and then one is pushed slightly towards a career as an astrophysicist.

one doesn'tt choose one's genetic heritage so right there one would lose some "free" will.
One didn’t sit before one existed thinking “Hmm…yeah, I think I’m going to go for blond hair, brown eyes…no blue! Blue eyes…and yeah let’s see…downs, yeah, I’m definitely going to have Downs syndrome. Maybe I should be born with a loss of function mutation in one of my copies of the retinoblastoma gene which will increase my chances of getting eye-cancer later on” (I stole this example)

So one is born with a genetic make-up which one did not choose for one-self, and one starts to gather experiences from the environment. Before one were born, had one decided then what kind of experiences the next one would have when one were “brought out into the light sticking out tongue” ? It depends on who that one "is".
But clearly all those experiences were pushed on one, and they changed one in some way. And that change led to other experiences which then changed one again  and led to other experiences, which led to other experiences and other experiences which continued to change one over the years until one would sit there and read what I have posted here.

What other factors, other than genetic heritage and experiences, can have played a part in determining one's thoughts and actions throughout one's life?
Try to imagine what that could be.

I guess what jumps into mind is something like a “imagination”. The concept of imagination would be another factor which can play a part in determining one's thoughts and actions. And it would be completely one's right?
Not something that came from the surrounding universe. So, would imagination at least grant one some "free" will?

I do experience imagination but I can't see it as separate from the material or one's environment, neither  is the material separate from one's imagination.
Some one does refer to imagination as being able to be separate from one (some call it soul, god, unicorns or just another "one") still it is just one's mind which like everything else, consists of one's matter.

One can't deny that imagination influences one's thoughts and actions. Even though imagination would be experienced as separate, one still wouldn’t have chosen one's imagination. (hard one?)
Therefore the same logic applies. If one hasn’t chosen that which gives one one's will, it isn’t one's "free" will.
just one thing...If one's universe were to rewind itself to the moment when one woke up today, everything in the whole universe went back the way it was then, every atom was in the same spot with the same energy as it had the first time. If one would have  “pressed the play-button” wouldn’t one's new day, play out exactly as it had before?
Wouldn’t  one sit there at exactly the same moment and read this? What could have been different?
At first glance nothing...
but  ^_^ as one pressed the play button at that time for the first time, All would be different.(debatable)

ps. depending on how you fill in/define one, you'll get a different picture in the same framework.
 What you'll do is change the angle of approach according to your (one's) personal setting and observation of angle of time.
I wonder what you think about free will?



6 Kommentare:

  1. When I read your words, Erik, I get the feeling reality is like a multidimensional kaleidoscope, everything is in motion and everything is connected, influencing and influenced by all what is. In this vision free will is a non relevant category, everything just "is". Eastern philosophies focus on this level, the Tao, samadhi, for instance.

    When I focus on what I call "me", with myself in the center of my body, there is the imagination I have choices and a free will to chose alternates. Maybe it is an illusion, but it helps a lot to manage my daily life, to earn my money and to raise my children. So this may be all about me, the individual level.

    So like always the question is what we focus on, I think.

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  2. It's a complex 3d model I run around with, and I'm still testing it.

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  3. I have read it on your page... It is hard for me to follow.

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  4. Do we have Freewill? Probably not, lol! But then again, of course we do! For "you can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice, if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. You can choose from phantom fears, or kindness that can kill. I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill!" - Bubba

    Also, we have Freewill Astrology...
    "KOYAANISQATSI. In the language of the Hopi Indians, koyaanisqatsi means "crazy life," "life in turmoil," or "life out of balance." It's usually invoked to describe a culture that's in disarray because of corruption and lack of vision. I'd like to extend its meaning to identify the chaotic states that each of us periodically goes through in our personal life. It's a time when we lose our moorings, when we're out of touch with our moral center. On the one hand, it's uncomfortable and disorienting. On the other hand, the brain-scrambling it stirs up is often a blessing. It flushes out mental habits that no longer serve us. It provokes creative innovations by rearranging the contents of our psyche. Happy Koyaanisqatsi!"
    ~ from Rob B.'s Freewill Astrology~ aka the self-appointed Fool Czar and King of New Holidays.

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  5. You may post these links in the links section, ID.

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  6. "Dieses Video enthält Content von montypython. Es ist in deinem Land nicht verfügbar.
    Das tut uns leid."
    ...so much about free will...

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