You know, this is so juvenile I wonder why I even respond to it. You take a picture of Obama, put him in white face, and give him a bad haircut, and ask me if I like him any better by looking at a badly doctored picture that makes him look white.
Sorry, man, but you left your brains outside the room on this one. If you think this proves anything one way or another about racism... sigh. Has political discourse really descended this far? If so, we really are in trouble as a country.
You know dio, I have to really take this response to heart. I know you to be fairly even-handed ("moderate") MOST of the time, and for you to put it out there like that means that, yeah, standards have really gotten low these days.
Regrettably that argument gets used too much today. Commentators and bloggers are always taking some outrageous off the wall piece of crap that someone else wrote or created, without attribution of course, then when pressed on the issue say "Hey, I didn't write it, I only distributed it." Makes me want to puke. If you don't say where you got it, it's yours, live with it. If you distribute it, with no other commentary, I am taking it as your view whether you created it or not.
Notice I haven't mentioned anything about Obama's policies or where I stand on them. But then again neither did you. What you are implying is that (1) If you don't like what Obama is doing, you are not necessarily racist, which is true, but also that (2) If you are against Obama, you are not a racist, which in many cases just flat out isn't true. 100% of racists who believe Blacks should never be in positions of authority hate Obama - and it flat out doesn't matter what his policies are. They will barely tolerate a Black in that position only if he never strays from what they consider important.
Posting a picture of Obama in white face and inferring that any racist would like him better if he looked like that is pointless - he doesn't look like that. Micheal Jackson tried that route, I don't think it helped him any.
Sharia stays pretty serious about his politics which is why I did not take this posting as a joke. I'm not sure he originally meant it as a joke, but it seemed like a good dodge when he got called on it. Randy posts considerably more goofy stuff than that, but it is Randy, and I know a joke when I see one even if I don't agree with the politics behind it. *shrug*.
Maybe he didn't understand we don't do stuff like that in this forum but I doubt that was it. You notice not a one of them gets behind a suitable black conservative candidate, and their are plenty of those. They only like clowns like Steele, and that one Reverend Buffoon. Hell, if Colin Powell wanted the job he'd have my vote, and its not because of his color.
It's BEAUTIFUL: anyone with internet access can start a rumor that 20% of Americans will believe. Hey, are you still having that affair with Mitt Romney?
I would use the term 'people' loosely. There is a bigoted minority bleating about the Cordoba building, same people would probably like to hang Obama on a burning wooden cross on their way to the next NRA meeting. Are these the 'people' who he should be listening to? Meanwhile New York, where the attacks actually took place, moves on...
PS. It ISN'T a MOSQUE. That lie will not continue to be repeated here. Such spin stands against everything this group is here for.
My final thought on whether this is 'racist' or not:
I'm not really bothered. But then I'm a white guy. I quite like the guy who posted it, and he's one of my contacts. I think he was probably drinking when he stormed out. His contemporaries on the US political spectrum are few here - they see us as European and biased to the left. Perhaps we are? Works for me.
I think this post and anything else like it (within reason) should stay exactly where it is - Multiply's staff regularly visit this group, and anyone can see it for what it is... if it's racist, childish or anything like that, the poster only shows themselves up. The amount of bitterness and noise that's been made about the first African-American First family really is quite disturbing. I hadn't realised how deep the rot went until then... ok, during the Bush years I figured somebody voted for him, but I put a lot more down to the kneejerk reaction after 9/11 and the tampering with ballots, Diebold machines etc. Since the racist venom has been sucked to the surface of your society (and as has been said this week, also in Europe, where Eastern Bloc countries were quickly assimilated after the fall of Communism), it's becoming clearer that there are actually more of them than we thought, and America may be dangerously close to becoming a Theocracy like Iran. I have plenty of first hand experience with that American brand of hard-sell faith-healing happy-clappy Christianity, and it has NO place in politics. Heaven forbid!
I've re-invited the author of this post. Whether he re-joins is up to him.
Bravo! Excellent points! And that people in other countries so misunderstand the issue only points to the lousy job the media is doing and the great job the right wing nut jobs are doing in fomenting hate.
The Community/cultural center project was approved by a 29 - 1 vote of the community board and fairly 53% on New Yorkers who live in the area are in favour of it.... and the city's mayor has spoken out in favour of it and in favour of religious tolerance many times since the story broke. It's really a local matter that has been co-opted by the right wing in an effort to fan the flames of hate and gin up the base. And now it's more fodder for the Obama haters since he commented on it.
Your final thoughts are also on point, Remixed. And appreciated. I think a lot of us were surprised by the level and number of racist reactions to our countries first Black president. And i fear the increasing divide between the races and also the rise of the Religious Right.
My enduring confidence and faith is in the generation coming of age now. My 20-something children see all of this nonsense as just that. Their world is so vast and diverse that the stuff that is going on now should die a natural and welcome death in hopefully the next generation, if not sooner.
You know, this is so juvenile I wonder why I even respond to it. You take a picture of Obama, put him in white face, and give him a bad haircut, and ask me if I like him any better by looking at a badly doctored picture that makes him look white.
AntwortenLöschenSorry, man, but you left your brains outside the room on this one. If you think this proves anything one way or another about racism... sigh. Has political discourse really descended this far? If so, we really are in trouble as a country.
Yeah, but this one doesn't lend itself to the "bone-in-the-nose-witchdoctor" protest sign that I wanted to create...
AntwortenLöschen::sarcasm off::
You know dio, I have to really take this response to heart. I know you to be fairly even-handed ("moderate") MOST of the time, and for you to put it out there like that means that, yeah, standards have really gotten low these days.
AntwortenLöschenLOL
I couldn't have said it any better...
AntwortenLöschenwell said . Yes looks like your country really is in trouble .
Hah! A bit touchy this morn eh?
AntwortenLöschenPut your big boy pants on Nancy and lighten up a bit. It gave me a grin.
I didn't, "take a picture of Obama, put him in white face, and give him a bad haircut". This came from someone else. I'm just not that talented.
As it is said in other circles, most of you are all really a bunch of snobby little schoolyard babies around here aren't you?
AntwortenLöschenA gaggle of snobby, pompous, nose in the air, holier than thou pricks.
AntwortenLöschenRegrettably that argument gets used too much today. Commentators and bloggers are always taking some outrageous off the wall piece of crap that someone else wrote or created, without attribution of course, then when pressed on the issue say "Hey, I didn't write it, I only distributed it." Makes me want to puke. If you don't say where you got it, it's yours, live with it. If you distribute it, with no other commentary, I am taking it as your view whether you created it or not.
AntwortenLöschenNotice I haven't mentioned anything about Obama's policies or where I stand on them. But then again neither did you. What you are implying is that (1) If you don't like what Obama is doing, you are not necessarily racist, which is true, but also that (2) If you are against Obama, you are not a racist, which in many cases just flat out isn't true. 100% of racists who believe Blacks should never be in positions of authority hate Obama - and it flat out doesn't matter what his policies are. They will barely tolerate a Black in that position only if he never strays from what they consider important.
Posting a picture of Obama in white face and inferring that any racist would like him better if he looked like that is pointless - he doesn't look like that. Micheal Jackson tried that route, I don't think it helped him any.
AntwortenLöscheninsult those who dont agree with you ?
Sign me up with the pricks, please.
AntwortenLöschendone
AntwortenLöschenThanks. I can feel my nose pointing upward already.
AntwortenLöschenAnd puts to question the poster's motivation in the first place. "Gee (yuck,. yuck, ::wink/ nod::), here's Obama in what face! See? I'm not racist!"
AntwortenLöschenBrings to mind another stereotype:
AntwortenLöschenBlack Face is NEVER acceptable and in the world of equality neither is White Face for a cheap laugh.
says more about the poster than he may even realise
And therein lies the point...
AntwortenLöschenThey don't realize (or care) how their posts can be seen as insensitive at best.
"Well i thought it was funny!"
Guess it wouldn't occur to him that others wouldn't, so when they register their disapproval, well that just proves THEY are the "humourless pricks".
Plain and simple, it says nothing about racism...and it isn't funny.
AntwortenLöschenDon't recall seeing you here before? Have invited you and yours without success, in the past. Great to see you here, I guess you came in with Eddie?
AntwortenLöschenVery happy with this development...
Can see the resemblance with Brad Pitt here, no?
AntwortenLöschenActually, I'm not sure that I could take anyone with that hair seriously.
AntwortenLöschenSo I dislike him MORE like that.
Does that mean I hate white people?
He left. I've made this viewable for everyone.
AntwortenLöschenNo, it means you hate bad Photoshop Jobs. Regrettably the Internet abounds with them. They are almost as common as bad YouTube videos.
AntwortenLöschenHe left the group?
AntwortenLöschenPeople get so pissed off on Multiply.... Do people take facebook this seriously? I mean, this is supposed to be FUN, right?
Sadly, my attempts to start an online rumor that Sarah Palin is secretly Hindu have not borne fruit.
AntwortenLöschenYet.
I heard that too, it was an article about how shooting moose doesn't sit well with cows being sacred...
AntwortenLöschenSharia stays pretty serious about his politics which is why I did not take this posting as a joke. I'm not sure he originally meant it as a joke, but it seemed like a good dodge when he got called on it. Randy posts considerably more goofy stuff than that, but it is Randy, and I know a joke when I see one even if I don't agree with the politics behind it. *shrug*.
AntwortenLöschenMaybe he didn't understand we don't do stuff like that in this forum but I doubt that was it. You notice not a one of them gets behind a suitable black conservative candidate, and their are plenty of those. They only like clowns like Steele, and that one Reverend Buffoon. Hell, if Colin Powell wanted the job he'd have my vote, and its not because of his color.
Yeah, he generally posts kind of quasi-philosophical bits on his page - Ayn Rand or Leo Strauss-brand thoughts.
AntwortenLöschenAND he keeps it there when I toss in my notorious little bombs.
I've never seen him drop way down to the kind of cursing and calling people names when he runs into opposition before.
We all have bad nights, though...
It's BEAUTIFUL: anyone with internet access can start a rumor that 20% of Americans will believe.
AntwortenLöschenHey, are you still having that affair with Mitt Romney?
Yes, but I was excommunified from the Davidian Church of Moron Latter Day Adventist Saints of Solomon
AntwortenLöschenI have to say if President Obama continues to go along with a Mosque being built on Ground Zero or near it he may end up like John and Bobby Kennedy.
AntwortenLöschenYou have to listen to the people and the people in the USA do not like this at all.
BTW I have no axe to grind I am from the UK.. Over here he comes across as someone who likes the sounds of his own voice and not the peoples.
I would use the term 'people' loosely. There is a bigoted minority bleating about the Cordoba building, same people would probably like to hang Obama on a burning wooden cross on their way to the next NRA meeting. Are these the 'people' who he should be listening to? Meanwhile New York, where the attacks actually took place, moves on...
AntwortenLöschenPS. It ISN'T a MOSQUE. That lie will not continue to be repeated here. Such spin stands against everything this group is here for.
What's the plural of Moose?
AntwortenLöschenMeese? Moosii? Mosque?
Ok, I'll go away now.
My final thought on whether this is 'racist' or not:
AntwortenLöschenI'm not really bothered. But then I'm a white guy. I quite like the guy who posted it, and he's one of my contacts. I think he was probably drinking when he stormed out. His contemporaries on the US political spectrum are few here - they see us as European and biased to the left. Perhaps we are? Works for me.
I think this post and anything else like it (within reason) should stay exactly where it is - Multiply's staff regularly visit this group, and anyone can see it for what it is... if it's racist, childish or anything like that, the poster only shows themselves up. The amount of bitterness and noise that's been made about the first African-American First family really is quite disturbing. I hadn't realised how deep the rot went until then... ok, during the Bush years I figured somebody voted for him, but I put a lot more down to the kneejerk reaction after 9/11 and the tampering with ballots, Diebold machines etc. Since the racist venom has been sucked to the surface of your society (and as has been said this week, also in Europe, where Eastern Bloc countries were quickly assimilated after the fall of Communism), it's becoming clearer that there are actually more of them than we thought, and America may be dangerously close to becoming a Theocracy like Iran. I have plenty of first hand experience with that American brand of hard-sell faith-healing happy-clappy Christianity, and it has NO place in politics. Heaven forbid!
I've re-invited the author of this post. Whether he re-joins is up to him.
Bravo! Excellent points! And that people in other countries so misunderstand the issue only points to the lousy job the media is doing and the great job the right wing nut jobs are doing in fomenting hate.
AntwortenLöschenThe Community/cultural center project was approved by a 29 - 1 vote of the community board and fairly 53% on New Yorkers who live in the area are in favour of it.... and the city's mayor has spoken out in favour of it and in favour of religious tolerance many times since the story broke.
It's really a local matter that has been co-opted by the right wing in an effort to fan the flames of hate and gin up the base.
And now it's more fodder for the Obama haters since he commented on it.
Your final thoughts are also on point, Remixed. And appreciated.
AntwortenLöschenI think a lot of us were surprised by the level and number of racist reactions to our countries first Black president.
And i fear the increasing divide between the races and also the rise of the Religious Right.
My enduring confidence and faith is in the generation coming of age now.
My 20-something children see all of this nonsense as just that.
Their world is so vast and diverse that the stuff that is going on now should die a natural and welcome death in hopefully the next generation, if not sooner.