http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2009/06/30/cynthia-mckinney-reportedly-taken-captive-by-israeli-navy/
Cynthia McKinney, who ran for President as the Green Party nominee in the 2008 US election race, is on board a ship which has been apprehended by Israeli navy, towed toward Israel and prevented from going about its business of carrying aid to Gaza, it has been reported. She is calling it 'an outrageous violation of international law', claiming the vessel was not even in Israeli waters.
Thanks to Nya
When are we finally going to lower the boom on that bunch running things in Jerusalem?
AntwortenLöschenI anticipate some drilling to source here and subsequent criticism, but surely even the pro-Israel gang here can see this is bang out of order?
AntwortenLöschenThe pro-Israel gang is in favor of anything that bunch does. You should know that, having frequented their forums and blogs here and elsewhere.
AntwortenLöschenThe Israelis can do no wrong....
I'm sure she'll be released soon enough , but it does make me happy knowing she's amongst the detained .
AntwortenLöschenMe too... someone that high profile among them might draw obviously needed attention to this despicable behaviour. How many others boats have they done it to, which didn't have such notable passengers?
AntwortenLöschenThey got Shapiro too... he'll make some noise
AntwortenLöschenIs it because the Zionist's stranglehold on the US board room comes from some Odd Jobs around the house that, perhaps, we might let them get away with kidnapping..?
AntwortenLöschenWhat sort of hold could imperial zionism have on the USA apart from a lobby, anyway?
The *lobby* does not explain their power.
Mafia mentality might.
I like Cynth a lot - and I'd bet this ship load of celebs will get home safely.
AntwortenLöschenI think even Israel is going to be hard pressed to explain this one. Undoubtedly they will pin the blame on "a case of mistaken identity effecting national security" or some such jibberish.
AntwortenLöschenUnless one of these names turns out to be a 'suspected terrorist'. Or something.
AntwortenLöschenPerhaps now a celebrity (one of their own) is involved the US government might finally take some notice. Before when it was just about killing of some Palestinian kids and their families it was all just so ho humm.
AntwortenLöschenI think we currently can watch a very carefully trial of the US-administration to get more distance to the Jewish lobby in their country and Israeli politics and crimes. That will be very difficult anyway, but will be longed for steps in the right direction. Happenings like this capture will support the change.
AntwortenLöschenI remember an Israeli friend saying the USA are his life insurance. I really like to grant life to both sides!
But Zionists get away with absoloutely anything!
AntwortenLöschenRemember USS Liberty? (Wasn't it?)
Is everyone present unable to remove their emotion and look at the facts ?
AntwortenLöschenThere is a current blockade of those waters right now .
Security risks are high.
The Israeli Navy warned the ship not to enter those waters .
Ships get warnings all the time, and then renavigate to their port or another port .
This ship intentionally ignored the warnings , which definitely indicates they were willing to cause trouble.
Otherwise, why not do what every other ship does, and heed the warnings and renavigate .
So unless you're a racist s-o-b, logic tells you that the ship's captain is guilty of risking the lives of all it's passengers .
Security risks, you say, from this ship. Why?
AntwortenLöschenIf this was John McCain, troops would already be there
AntwortenLöschenTo deliver humanitarian aid ernest. The ship posed no risk to them, they knew it, they were trying to prove a point: they control all deliveries into Palestine. And they will have to pay the consequences of that.
AntwortenLöschenWhere are you getting this from? If this is the case, I'm interested, please give us a link? I've read the source article, and I'm prepared to be corrected. And while you're at it, please explain how finding this blockade of humanitarian aid disgusting makes me a 'racist'? Judaism is not a race, to begin with.
AntwortenLöschenWhy should aid into Gaza be restricted to the Rafa crossing and its' sea-ports, anyway? Who's the apartheid-supporting racist here? Picture the same happening in Portugal, Wales or Oklahoma.
AntwortenLöschenBecause giving aid to Gaza is anti-semitic...lol
AntwortenLöschen"Taken Captive by the Israeli Navy."
AntwortenLöschenIs that what the kids are calling it these days?
Pardon me, Grandma
AntwortenLöschenIt was taking food to people locked behind a wall. What other port do you expect it to navigate to?
AntwortenLöschenMany people could argue that as Israel are occupiers of this territory in any case they have no right to dictate who enters the waters. Regardless, under UN law, they have no right to block food aid from reaching the Palestinian people whose land they occupy.
AntwortenLöschenI just heard this was an old article from dec 2008
Seems this Cynthia McKinney tried this before in Dec 2008, what a pain in the ass. It's all a just a propaganda tour, what a waste of time.
AntwortenLöschenShe knew that any entity wishing to transfer humanitarian aid can do so through land crossings, after coordinating with the relevant Israeli authorities.
I will wait until I hear the whole truth....
AntwortenLöschenSame here there is more to this than meets the eye.She does this all the time for publicity. If she really cared to help get aid into Gaza the overland rt. is open.
AntwortenLöschenIN (Israel Navy) intercepts propaganda ship
AntwortenLöschenhttp://zionism-israel.com/israel_news/2009/06/in-israel-navy-intercepts-propaganda.html
The Israel Navy has prevented a propaganda ship from entering Gaza port. Those who really want to transfer humanitarian aid to Gaza can do so through land crossings. This ship of activists was not interested in helping little children and helpless people, but in making a political point - legitimizing the genocidal Hamas in the name of "human rights." Too bad they will get as much publicity from having the ship intercepted as they would have had had it been allowed to pass. But previous experience shows that the activists who arrive in Gaza are not content to distribute aid, but insist on holding press conferences comparing Israelis to Nazis, which is what their "mission" is really about.
IDF Navy intercepts Gaza-bound ship
Jun. 30, 2009
JPost.com Staff , THE JERUSALEM POST
An IDF Navy unit took over a ship that was en route to breaking the naval closure on the Gaza Strip, the IDF said in a statement Tuesday afternoon.
Overnight, Navy troops spotted a vessel with a Greek flag, which had embarked on a journey from the port of Larnaca in Cyprus towards the Gaza Strip.
After the Navy contacted the ship and realized it was headed to Gaza, the troops clarified that the Strip is under naval closure and that because of security concerns it will not be allowed to reach the beach of Gaza.
The ship, named Arion, continued sailing to Gaza despite the Navy's warnings, and after refusing to heed consecutive calls not to sail to the Strip, Navy troops mounted the ship and navigated it to the Ashdod port.
The Arion's crew and passengers will be transferred over to relevant authorities, the military statement said.
The IDF added that any entity wishing to transfer humanitarian aid can do so through land crossings, after coordinating with the relevant Israeli authorities.
It was from Dec 2008. There was a war going on, excuse me, what did Israel call that incursion going on at the time. That of course complicates things.
AntwortenLöschenThis is a second incident
AntwortenLöschenSeems this Cynthia McKinney tried this before in Dec 2008, what a pain in the ass. It's all a just a propaganda tour, what a waste of time.
She knew that any entity wishing to transfer humanitarian aid can do so through land crossings, after coordinating with the relevant Israeli authorities.
ayla, why, in general should a country have control over all entry points to territories? Yes, what they were trying to do is show that Israel controlled all entry points to Gaza, that is what they proved. What is the basis for allowing that? Humanitarian aid is humanitarian aid, not missile parts. They could have boarded and inspected that ship also without diverting its course. Or are you now saying the pirates off of Africa where within their rights too?
AntwortenLöschenSo you are saying as i am, it was not a humanitarian aid mission.
AntwortenLöschenWho owns Gaza?
AntwortenLöschenNo, I am saying the ship clearly was carrying humanitarian aid. I was asking what basis Israel is using to legally block all shipments into Gaza.
AntwortenLöschenWhat I am agreeing with you about is that it was a 'propaganda' ploy of the kind Israel uses all the time.
At first glance, we're led to believe that Gaza is Arab land, occupied
AntwortenLöschenby Israelis, and the whole world wants to get the Jews out of there, and
Israel under pressure has relented and handing it over to Arafat's, than
Abbas' gang and now to one of the most vicious terrorist groups--Hamas.
Does Israel have any biblical claim to it? According to the Bible, Gaza
was part of the inheritance given to the children of Israel in the past
(Numbers 34:2-6), and promised to them for the future
(Ezekiel 47:19-20).
Gaza was specifically given to the tribe of Judah - from where the
term "Jews" is derived.
(Joshua 15: 20,47)
Under Joshua, the Israelites conquered the land as far as Gaza (Joshua
10:40-42),
But in line with the promise of its designated territorial legacy, it
was the tribe of Judah that took that land in battle. (Judges 1:18) The
Gaza Strip was also a part of Solomon's kingdom. (1 Kings 4:24)
So the Bible, at least, is quite clear about who owns Gaza. The Jewish
settlers who live in Gaza today have built the homes and gardens of
their beautiful communities based upon these title deeds.
In 1967, in what millions of Jews and Gentiles believed to be a miracle,
the Arab occupiers were driven out of Judea and Samaria and the
illegally occupied Gaza Strip, back to where they came from. While
Israel's soldiers fought bravely and brilliantly in the Six Day War,
it was God Who gave that victory. It was not a mistake. Rather, it was
another step in His unfolding plan to "restore the kingdom to Israel."
For they did not gain possession of the land by their own sword, nor did
their own arm save them; but it was Your right hand, Your arm, and the
light of Your countenance, because You favored them.
? But You have saved us from our enemies, and have put to shame those
who hated us. (Psalm 44:3,7)
We don't know why God has allowed the Settlements to be expelled at this
point and time or why He allows the pagan shrine to the moon god Allah
on His Holy Mountain to stand there still. Our timing is not His timing.
Not too distant future will tell.
We do know from His Holy Word (and God does not lie), that all the land
He has promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants, will
occupy the Land God has promised. It's for that reason this parcel of
land in the midst of the earth, is called the "Promised Land", but until
than..... individuals and nations do well to head these words from the
Holy One of Israel Himself:
..."I will judge those nations who divided MY land" Joel 3:1-3
Good question. Israel has created the fiction the Palestinian residents do. Are you now saying Israel owns Gaza? They are one step away from that by closing all the entry points and air space, but Oooo, they don't want to call it that. The nasty Hamas control Gaza. In a pigs eye they do..
AntwortenLöschenThe Jewish people owned it first according to the history books. This is circa 1000 b.c.
AntwortenLöschenThen they lost out to the many nations from Babylon to the Romans, but they keep allot of their people there.
Then when the Ottoman Empire came into being they once again bought the land from them. Then did the same thing when the British were in charge of this area.
The people who are now called Palestinians were nomads that NO Arab country in this area wanted them to settle. Then when the British agreed to have Israel once again a nation,1918, the Arab countries told the nomads to settle in this area so that they could once the Arab nations wiped out all Jewish people they would have their own country.
These Arab countries were Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Trans Jordan and Syria.
Then when all the Arab countries tried to kill the Jewish people they kept loosing.
Then in 1967 at the Khartoum Conference Yasar Arafat declared that there was now a Palestinian nation.
Israel in hopes of peace moved their own citizens from the Gaza strip and gave it to the Palestinians but the terrorist group called Hamas refused to accept this and has been shooting rockets into Israel. Instead of getting peace for giving them land they keep getting war!
Now I know that the history books have been rewritten since 1980 and they tell you something else about the PLO and all but if you read a real history book and one that does not rewrite history you will find this to be true.
If Israel owns it then i guess they have the right to control what goes into it.
AntwortenLöschenGreat, now would you also list all the times your "Israel" was NOT in Jewish hands, or does the Bible, which is probably the ultimate propaganda machine, trump history.
AntwortenLöschenNote: I am not just saying that about the Old Testament, the Koran is just as bad.
Then they bloody well are responsible for the welfare of its citizens, aren't they?
AntwortenLöschenI agree, it's citizens, humm, does that include Hamas !!
AntwortenLöschenIf Israel were providing basic services for the residents of Gaza as they should have been doing Hamas would never have gotten a foothold there. The only way other than a two-state solution is if Israel shoulders the responsibilities of ruling territories. Sticking people in permanent refuge camps while you carve out more and more territory for greater Israel just ain't going to cut it.
AntwortenLöschenIsrael could supply everything to Gaza and that would not change a thing.
AntwortenLöschenIsrael controls Gaza. They have the power to turn the lights on and off, they control the traffic, they have their greasy hands on the water tap.
AntwortenLöschenDo they own the land?
AntwortenLöschenUsing the Bible as a legal document is a fantastic idea.
AntwortenLöschenI've been wanting to stone my neighbor to death for an assortment of things for weeks now - he allows walleyed people near altars, cuts his hair at the temples... eats shrimp...
When the police come to get me, I'll show them the passages that excuse my behavior.
The Israel/Palestine issue is one of those things I haven't spent a great deal of time researching (gotta prioritize eventually).
AntwortenLöschenHowever, isn't Israel WAY beyond the borders that were originally set for it, way beyond the additional areas that the rest of the world accepted for it after the 1968 war. Hasn't it consistently been condemned by the UN and world community for additional encroachments/invasions/occupations beyond their legal borders?
I mean, I'm not hallucinating, am I? Israel has flounced international law repeatedly, right?
Did you forget who the leader of the United States is. By the time he makes a decision the whole works of them will of swam home.
AntwortenLöschenWell said, and exactly right. This is why we prefer to keep religion out of the legal / political debates here... it has no place in a rational discussion about facts. 'God' promised this or that is not a basis for a legally solid case... because you can't prove He even exists. It is therefore not a 'fact'.
AntwortenLöschenI do think Ayla has a point - McKinney may well be on a mission to shine a light on this topic - but not for personal publicity, but because she is a humanitarian, compassionate individual with the platform to get it done. Shame there aren't more like her. 'What a pain in the ass'... it's not even about Israel v Arabs, for me. I just see a nation bullying a people within it - whether you call them 'Palestinians' or Arab residents of Israel - and it is completely inhumane, not allowing aid to get there after you've bombed them into oblivion. Ok, I understand the argument about the rockets and Sderot, and Hamas, and the need to ensure arms don't get in, but I hardly think McKinney's ship was carrying weapons for Hamas? For God's sake, let them rebuild, or give them refuge. It's the least Israel can do. Otherwise it's pure ethnic 'cleansing'... imagine the same happening to the Hopi, Navajo or Lakota in the US?
I would think that not stopping for the authorities would be a ploy for attention. If it was not, then why would you not stop. To not stop would jeopardise the mission. If they stopped, at least they still have two options, (land or sea). Now they have none. I do think however that it is not humanitarian to not allow them to pass if they complied and stopped. I also think that it is rude that the Israelis do not allow passage by sea in situations where those with the aid do stop for authorities.
AntwortenLöschenThis is not true: although I don't belong to the official "pro-Israel gang" I often agree with the decisions of their government taken in self defence. I also find that many of their actions are arbitrary and politically dangerous, and sometimes downright cruel, like this one. And a large minority of Israelis share this point of view.
AntwortenLöschenTrue.
AntwortenLöschenOr Israel get get the fuck out of gaza and the occupied territories. That might change a thing.