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The crisis over the Iranian election has developed with such dizzying speed it is hard to take in the implications.(...translation: "Even I had no clue such a thing was brewing") Until barely two weeks ago, anti-government demonstrations were unheard of. ...and were unthinkable. Now the opposition routinely turns out hundreds of thousands of protesters on the street every day. ...whoever this opposition is must be powerful. Now the foreign media are operating under some of the most sweeping restrictions in the world. ...duh! So where is this crisis going, and what do the opposition want? ...translation:"please allow me to think loud, since I have no clue myself" 'Not open challenge' For the moment, the demonstrators have just one demand - a re-run of the election they believe was won by the opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi. ...Mousavi must have thought he was going to get it; and now is trying to salvage whatever it can.
When they chant "death to the dictator", they do not say who they mean. But the suspicion is they mean not just President Ahmadinejad, but also the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. ...who's suspicion is that? I take our reporter is thinking louder to invent a plausible scenario. Nevertheless, this is not an open challenge to the system, at least not yet. ...translation"don't fancy that Iran will turn secular. But, in case it does, I want to have my ass covered by pointing out the 'not yet' part" The women in the demonstrations do not take off their headscarves, for example, even though many detest being forced to wear them. ...I hate this term: 'many'. What does that mean? Among the 100s of thousands of demonstrators there is more than one woman who detest? Two? I had a physics teacher who would mock us when we would refer to 'many'. He would say, 'there are some primitive tribes who count: one, two, many'. And what exactly signifies them, the And the demonstrators chant "God is Great" to stress that they are just as religious as supporters of the government. ...it is a well known 'cover your ass' disclosure so that your opponents can't call you a heretic. Otherwise, if you give them any such opportunity, you are done with anyway. For example, even if it were a demonstration for a regime change, say for secularism, they still would emphasize that. Otherwise, the gov't could easily Widespread arrests Foreign ambassadors are called in, one after the other, and given a dressing down for even daring to criticise the shooting of demonstrators. ...that is what those ambassadors are for, no? "Don't dare to use these to your own ends. We are watching you. Otherwise, after we take care of the unrest, we'll get ecen with you!" Meanwhile, the authorities have been sending out their thugs, the "Basijis" - members of the government militia - in a blatant display of intimidation. ..."You've got YOUR dogs, we have got ours...". Based on my observations, those "Basijis" are simply volunteer thugs, not militia in any sense of the word. I had lived through (survived is a better word) that scenario in the back country. Student dormitories are ransacked. ...back then, our dormitories were ransacked not by basijis, but by UNIFORMED POLICE, who not only ransacked but also threw a few students out of the backony to their deaths. Ooops, sorry, they JUMPED themselves off the 4th floor, according to the reports. And widespread arrests have now stretched as far up - to include the man who was one of the closest aides of Ayatollah Khomeini, Ebrahim Yazdi. ...Ahha, there we go. He was. A long time ago. He fell out of favor. So, he has been scheming to grab the power. Bastard. Lock him up! So far there has been no decision taken for a really sweeping crackdown, though that may come sooner rather than later. ..."Let us first weigh the opposition's power. They got us by surprise. Hence, first know thy enemy. Once they expose themselves sufficiently, we will get them. Muhahahaaa!" Deep rivalry Meanwhile, a separate power play is going on at the top of the political system. ...what separate power play? It is all one. There is NO separate power play.
Ayatollah Khamenei has many cards in his hand. ...he better have them... He is the supreme commander of the armed forces...so was the Shah. He is also loyally supported by the Guardian Council...we all are accountable to some body eventually. His time to explain his laps to the Council (board of directors?), But on the other side is former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, who has been backing the opposition campaigns. ...DUH! As the election began, it became clear he wanted revenge against President Ahmadinejad, who beat him in the presidential election four years ago. ...tsk tsk tsk. Revenge? That is a primitive behavior. Revenge will get you nothing. He wants his power back! If he wanted to have "rewvenge", he would have his wife (wives?) kidnapped, gang raped, and photographed...THAT would be a revenge. And there is probably a deeper rivalry with the supreme leader himself, whom Mr Rafsanjani helped to power when he succeeded Ayatollah Khomeini in 1989. ...our reporter is making this up by attaching a 'probably': "I really have no clue, but way back in 1989 they were buddy-buddy." The rivalry really erupted when President Ahmadinejad accused Mr Rafsanjani's family of corruption during one of the televised presidential debates. ...now he is talking about some useful bit of info. Why would a candidate accuse a non-candidate with corruption? ummm... because he is behind the opponent? It is an accusation many Iranians might suspect is true, ...a phrase of absolutely no content to it: many?... 1,2, many. might? Equally, might not. suspect? Not even confident? I have NO doubt about ANY politician's corruption. The only differentitor is the size. The less competent politicians manage smaller corruption, the 'better' ones shovel it. That exactly sets apart successful politicians from the fools... but Mr Rafsanjani wrote an unprecedented letter to the supreme leader, calling him to act, and issuing a remarkable threat. ...BIG MISTAKE. You do not threaten your boss if you are competing for a promotion: "Look Mr Director, if you do not promote me to the position of Manager of Public Relations, I'll make you suffer". No no no. You will find yourself out on the street. If nothing was done, "the volcanos fed inside burning chests will appear in society, as exemplified by gatherings we have seen in streets, squares and universities"....some more tid-bit of insight. He openly said the he will take his supporters out to streets. Mr Rafsanjani has some powerful tools. ...hmmm... let's read on. Our reporter may actually know a few things. He heads the Assembly of Experts, the body of clerics in charge of electing, supervising and dismissing the supreme leader. For them to take action would indeed be unprecedented. But Mr Rafsanjani recently won re-election with a big majority. Mr Rafsanjani also heads the Expediency Council, which mediates on disputes between other organs of government. Not to mention his almost legendary wealth....it is getting more interesting! Do not underestimate the fervour of supporters on both sides.
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A storm in a teacup or a teacup in a storm?
AntwortenLöschenThe western media is doing a great job of hyping up the matter. ..
AntwortenLöschenAnd then there are the catcalls from people like GW Bush calling for freedom to be allowed "flourish". Like GW and "freedom" in the same sentence?
This idiot knows nothing of freedom and dedicated his presidency to crushing and maiming it. ..
I'm losing interest very fast as I look at both sides. Is anybody right here?
nice `post
AntwortenLöschenDitto... great post. Nearly included this in today's aggregate blog; thought it needed a post of its own. Now I don't have to :)
AntwortenLöschenHey, 'nuff of back-padding, I want to hear "objections"!
AntwortenLöschenI can't be right throughout!
Most of it... Sure...! But ALL of it? Naaah... I am only a mortal.
I figure the protests are more because voters feel cheated, than because Iran is 'becoming secular'. A few thousand students in the centre of the capital is a big deal, sure, but not gonna change much.
AntwortenLöschenTake my word for it. It is a Show of Force (as in the Turkish rallies...) Sabre rattling.
AntwortenLöschenNone of those folks have the slightest clue what exactly they are demonstrating for.
They are already ganged up behind a different leader, who asks them to make as much noise as they can.
It needs to be watched closely, because if the internal power balance is --well-- "balanced", then a power struggle would be imminent. Now THAT may provide a lot of opportunity for foreign powers to meddle in. US could offer arms to "A", while Russia to "B".
People Power? Naaah. Never has been. Leader power? Always the answer.
Man is a pack animal.
how can you be sure that stimulation is not happening already by a SUPER POWER.
AntwortenLöschenthe situation is begging for it ,no?
But you said you can't always be right...
AntwortenLöschenSee... you are getting there!
AntwortenLöschen:))
Certainly no such claims. As the reporter explains, the Ambassadors were called in and reminded to stay away from that or else...
AntwortenLöschenWhat that "all else" is, is beyond me.
Or, else, as Clinton had once said, it depends on what "is" is.
so what fuels these large manifestations
AntwortenLöschenMy guess is that it is a domestic power struggle. Nothing fancy beyond that.
AntwortenLöschenGurc, we disagree!
AntwortenLöschenA little anyway.
Domestic power *is* people power. Leaders co-opt it, some more thoroughly than others, but all rulers govern with the consent (though sometimes coerced) of the governed.
Leaders, including dictators *need* their people to either believe their extraordinary bullshit, as in the USA, or Nazi Germany - or to fear it, as in Czarist Russia, or Communist Russia.
When the masses overcome fear and belief and start to demand this or that, the totalitarians are obliged to provide it or be replaced.
Not that I think the Iranians are on the verge of freedom and representative democracy or anything... We don't disagree entirely.
Both things are true:
1) The expression of dissatisfaction of the masses has produced an opportunity for an internal power play, which will change Iran forever.
2) An internal power play has produced an opportunity for the expression of dissatisfaction of the masses, which will change Iran forever.
What reason do you have for thinking this?
AntwortenLöschenThe USA isn't omnipotent and omnipresent. Most especially in Iran!
Iranians already have plenty of Iranian motives, means and opportunities for stirring up Iranian politics. Where do you actually see foreign intervention?
(Though I do think Obama's speech in Cairo, especially his copping to the CIA coup against Mossadegh, may have added fuel to the fire.)
mass rally´s usually need organization
AntwortenLöschenGreat party organisers in Langley, Virginia. ..
AntwortenLöschenthat is what i am getting at
AntwortenLöschen,but trying to be subtle
And Iranians know how to organize themselves, yes?
AntwortenLöschenSo, which of the Iranian leaders is working with the CIA? Or has the CIA paid off half the population?
AntwortenLöschenThis is *obviously* a popular uprising. Sure there are leaders, but they are running to catch up with their followers at this point.
This sort of conspiracy theory / paranoiac thinking is too common, on this and many other issues. Al Qaeda couldn't POSSIBLY have figured out how to buy 19 first class air tickets on their own... It could only have been the CIA!
Oh, and, if the CIA was behind it in any way, or even if it was hurrying up to get involved and take advantage of the situation, they would have muzzled the GOP congresscritters like Jeff Sessions, who would be "giving the game away" if there was a game.
AntwortenLöschenDo you suppose the 1979 revolution was also orchestrated by the CIA?
AntwortenLöschenThere's just as much evidence.
And if the CIA did not organize 1979, how did the Iranians pull it off without them?
C'mon, THINK.
All accepted except the last prophecy:
AntwortenLöschen...will change Iran forever.
which, I presume means significant changes, not like a democrat president replacing a republican in the USA.
That, I am not so sure.
I have lived through more massive demonstrations reflecting indeed the people's frustration with what they've got, and demanding their fair share.
Instead, they got a big stick on their heads. Military Coup of 1960, of 1972, of 1980, of 1990 (clandestine)...
If you take a look at my "ADDENDUM" you will see MASSIVE demonstration in Turkey in 2007 to "defend" a secular regime. It looks so awfully respectable... right? Wrong. It was a "Show of Force" by the opposition party who organized that frenzy... in the end, it proved totally worthless.
I admire your valuation of the man's valor. Unfortunately, except for individual efforts or a tightly knit team, all large scale organizations require a leader and a chain of command. Without that, the masses are a "mob", a "headless chicken". Hence, the masses are steered by the leader of the day. Sometimes it is a Hitler, sometimes it is a Napoleon, or a Lenin. The result is the same. Exploit the dissatisfaction of people to your own ends.
Gloomy? Yup. I have been searching the pages of history for a counter example to no avail.
Nah, I was getting bombastic.
AntwortenLöschenIt might be a small change.
But - it might not!
Big changes happen. They're usually hard to anticipate.
I agree that someone always ends up in the leadership. I don't necessarily agree that's cause to be gloomy.
AntwortenLöschenCounter-examples?
Well, how about Vietnam? Maybe the communist leaders weren't your personal dream team, but I'm sure the Vietnameses prefer them to the French & Americans.
How about Iran? The Ayatullahs come into power, true, but they replaced the Shah. Most Iranians (at least the ones who don't live in California) are still happy about that.
How about the USA? Americans may hate their government, but it's a happy productive kind of hate. And we're still happy about 1776.
Sure, sometimes it's a Hitler or a Napoleon - but other times it's a Washington or a Mandela or a Gandhi or a Havel.
You just object to the fact that someone always ends up in power? Are you an anarchist now?
=)
I must admit that I am wondering about that seriously.
AntwortenLöschenAside: it is not so much that someone else is in power (meaning, runs matters, which affect me, as it is advantageous to him). Yet, I was brainwashed to believe it was the other way around: "Our elected officials work for us".
Hence, a good part of my politically aware life was wasted to figure out WHY I am not affecting a thing.
Now, at least, I am content having finally figured out that I was chasing the rainbow.
Then there are others who are obviously smarter, for they NEVER entertained the idea that all that school stuff had any truth to it. I have passed the classes with glorious grades, they have barely managed to graduate.
On the other hand, had I not been brainwashed but told the way it is, I would have been happier and would have felt more accomplished.
Who knows, I MIGHT even have indeed accomplished something good.
I got disillusioned & deprogrammed in my teens. It never made me any happier or more effective though. I often wonder if I might have had a nicer time bleating in unison with my sheeply neighbors. There's always the road not taken...
AntwortenLöschenAnarchy? Yeah, okay, I'm an anarchist. The same way I'm a libertarian and a communist, too. All of which call for government to wither away. Hmm... All of them are lovely little ideals, and everyone should be informed and inspired by them. But no one should waste their breath trying to put them into practice.
Well said! I'm waiting already for Randy coming back from his bear-hugging and giving his comment! :D
AntwortenLöschenSurely not the way they are perceived as of today. There is no coherent and respectable framework for either one.
AntwortenLöschenYet, it does not stop me from thinking of putting together a theory of MORE PREFERABLE social co-existence. A century and a half ago, Marx may have thought he had found it.
I am inspired by Star Trek, where Captain Kirk mocks the primitiveness of the 20th century: "They used to have something called money. In our modern society that problem has long been solved".
All the dead end social theories are -on a scientific platform- respectable works, which add to our understanding of social dynamics (albeit, some of those have been very costly!).
Had earlier scientists, like Kepler and Galilee not worked on issues of mass and acceleration, no way Newton could have come up with his monumental work about Mechanics.
I'd rather encourage people to strive to be the Newton of Social Sciences.
:)