Sonntag, 26. Februar 2012

The Birth of Israel (BBC) Part 1




WITHOUT any anti-Semitic intent, I post these 2 videos mostly for discussion of 'alternative history'. See, I knew about the Balfour Declaration and Theodr Herzl and the Six Day War etc, and even viewed as impartially as it can be, what the British did to the existing Palestinians was nothing less than condone an incremental invasion. That's just my opinion. Imagine Poles or Pakistanis, here in Britain in numbers, one day fighting a war for, say, independence of West London, or Lancashire, against the English Defence League. As the Zionists won the Six Day War, so would West London become Polish or Pakistani, if they subdued the English, militarily. Unthinkable.

It's the same as what Europeans did to the Native Americans, of course. To take someone else's land and settle there, you need to get rid of them somehow. Or assimilate. Or co-exist.

But one aspect of the history I was not aware of until tonight, were the alternative locations suggested instead of Palestine, prior to imposing Israel there. Uganda, Eastern Russia, Manchuria, Madagascar!

Even Alaska. Imagine that... how would Americans feel about the independent Zionists owning all that oil? Here's an Alternative History forum I found that has already discussed it... I agree that to say "placing European Jews somewhere they would not be able to handle the climate, is anti-semitic, born from a desire to see them suffer" is paranoid nonsense. It's alternative history... you know, 'what if Hitler won WW2' stuff. Fiction.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=66157

Why not Eritrea, as suggested on that thread? Or, since it all began in Basel, and the subject people were European... Switzerland?

When exactly did Jews and Arabs stop being able to live side by side in harmony? The answer to that question is the key to solving the problems of the 'Middle East', I think.



And finally, some light reading :) ...

http://www.odsg.org/Said_Edward(1977)_Orientalism.pdf
http://www.transferagreement.com/
http://www.solargeneral.com/library/thirteenth-tribe-arthur-koestler.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Dreyfus
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
http://www.bollyn.com/einsteins-letter-warning-of-israeli-terrorism-2
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/balfour_declaration_of_1917.htm
http://www.herzl.org/english/Article.aspx?Item=492&Section=491
http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/index.htm
http://ddickerson.igc.org/The_Protocols_of_the_Learned_Elders_of_Zion.pdf
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/4334196/
http://ihr-store.com//ihrstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_7&products_id=55
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
http://guardian.150m.com/palestine/resources.htm
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/Palestine_Crosshairs.html

15 Kommentare:

  1. A map here, an image there, in replies was really useful... why did Multiply change something that worked fine? It's shit now.

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  2. Ok, that was done using 'a h ref' embed link from 'email' option on this photo, at my own Multiply page.

    Diio showed me the 'img src' method last week but clearly I'm not using the right URL... am linking to a page, not to a photo... can't see how to put that right.

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  3. Why don't we set up a special country for the Roma to live in?

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  4. That red line and the land in it is what the Zionists wanted? Or what was granted to them? Or????

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  5. That's 'Greater Israel', Eretz Yisrael.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel

    A modern 'Tenth Plague' might be one way to achieve it.

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  6. Thank you, I also looked it up myself which I should have done in the first place.

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  7. oooooh now I got it... 'copy image URL' in drop down menu. Until Microsoft change that in next version of Windows lol

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  8. Maybe we need something like an editor for the comment boxes. Will suggest it over at MUDS, but Multiply is more about shopping these days.

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  9. The analogy to the Aboriginals in the US is striking.

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  10. Russia? You`re kidding, right. The Russians had pogroms going from the late 1800`s onwards.

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  11. Because Jews view Israel as the Promised Land. Not Eritrea,Uganda, Russia or, as you say, Switzerland. They say, every Passover, "BaShanah HaBaah Birushalyim " {next year in Jerusalem}

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  12. I didn't think they were supposed to be promised that homeland until the return of the Messiah (or in Judaism's case, the first coming)?

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  13. Yep, there`s a group of right wing Orthodox Jews believe that.

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