Freitag, 11. September 2009

The Day The Earth Stood Still: Eight Years Later

Eight years ago, on this day, the world stopped turning.

Or so we are assured.

Eight years ago, when on “9/11” (sic; 11/9; 9/11 is 9 November) alleged Arab terrorists allegedly hijacked four American commercial airliners (it bears repeating that they were American; a year later, in the days before 11/9/2002, the US would try to ban foreign airliners from flying in its airspace, until self-respecting nations threatened a counter-ban on American aeroplanes) and crashed two of them into the two towers of the World Trade Center (sic), causing their collapse, and hit the Pentagon with another, causing some relatively limited damage, we were informed that we were all (in the words of the German magazine Stern) Americans. Our duty, it was said, was to rally to the support of the American Cause, worldwide. Our governments fell over each other begging to express their solidarity. The then “President” (later President) of the US, George W Bush, told us that we were either for him or we were for the terrorists, who were, naturally, evildoers who hated America’s freedoms and who had to be smoked out of their holes.

I assume all of you remember that. Far too many of you have been inundating us with blog posts detailing your memories of that day not to remember.

I assume, therefore, that you also know the aftermath of that little episode: the invasion of Afghanistan, which continues to this day and which has successfully returned that unhappy land from the control of religious zealots to the partial control of warlords and drug kings; and to the invasion of Iraq, where a functioning nation was destroyed, a civil war ignited, a million or more people killed as a result, and a secular Muslim nation given over to fundamentalist mullahs of various stripes. I assume you know all that.

The world stopped turning. The world changed forever. America was targeted; terrorism suddenly came into existence; and Islamic Terror had to be fought. Yeah.

Before I go on any further, I’d like to repeat what some of you already know: unlike 99.9% of you, I have lived through an insurgency. I’ve personally met terrorists and seen them in action. I was less than a hundred metres away from a terror strike, in 2001, in which five people were killed. For my first novel I interviewed a former terrorist leader (Chakra Gohain of the United Liberation Front of Asom). In other words, when I use the word “terrorist”, I know, from personal experience, what I’m talking about.

Therefore, I am very, very far from accepting any notion that the world stopped on 11 September 2001. I do not believe that terrorism had to target America before being recognised as such; and I am very, very far from accepting any notion that terrorists target anyone out of “hatred”. As I’ve said repeatedly, terrorism is a tactic of war, and like any other tactic it is meant to produce a definite result, whatever that result might be. Nobody has to be a genius to decide that rhetoric saying “We’re good, so if they target us, they must be evil” is anything more than puerile. If any individual therefore believes, or pretends to believe, that 11/9 was caused entirely by blind hatred (for instance, the very right-wing Indian magazine India Today had declared it to be a “Jihad Against The World” in its cover story, equating America with the world, something I’d only come across Americans doing before that) or that the victim was entirely blameless, he or she is being at the very least wilfully blind.

There are a couple of other things I believe need repeating: first, I am not necessarily a believer in conspiracy theories. I am not discounting the possibility that the Bush Administration engineered the attacks in some fashion and blew down the two towers of the World Trade Center (sic) with explosives. That’s why, up above, I wrote that the 11/9 attacks involved alleged Arab terrorists allegedly hijacking aeroplanes. “President” (as he then was) Bush’s men may have been behind the attacks; but I do not think it is very likely. Considering the complexity of the operation and the number of people it must have involved, a cover-up of an operation of such magnitude would have been so difficult that there would have been hard evidence long before now. Far too many people would’ve talked.

However, there is a different way in which the talk of a conspiracy theory may be right after all, and this lies in the oft-repeated phrase “Pearl Harbor (sic) Moment.” As scholars of the Second World War strongly suspect, the attack on Pearl Harbor (sic) on 6 December 1941 was anything but unanticipated and anything but a strike out of the blue. Back in 1941, the US was in a race with Japan for resources in Asia and was desperately trying to find a back door to enter the war in Europe. Japan was squeezed (by repeated ultimatums to quit China and SE Asia) into beginning a war it could not possibly win in the long run, and there’s good reason to believe (among other things, the US had long since broken the Japanese naval code) that the actual Japanese attack was anticipated and allowed to happen so that the American people could be filled with righteous rage against the perfidious evildoer Japanese.

Similarly, in the late nineties, the US was desperately trying to find a route to the natural gas fields of Central Asia and longed to control the oil of Iraq. As late as 1998, Washington was still trying to negotiate a pipeline deal with the Taliban (which was still in the US’ good books at the time, as it had been from the moment it was first set up by the Pakistanis; vide Ahmed Rashid, Taliban: The Story of the Afghan Warlords) and hoping for UN-imposed mass starvation to set off a coup in Iraq. A colonised Iraq would be a permanent source of oil to the US; it would be a permanent military base from which to threaten other Arab nations and Iran; and, not the least, it would remove one of the few genuine opponents of the Zionazi pseudostate of “Israel”.

But the coup never materialised, and the Afghan pipeline deal collapsed when the Taliban decided to award the contract to Argentina’s BRIDAS instead of America’s UNOCAL. Only a series of major wars could set things right, but even the American people couldn’t be persuaded to begin a series of major wars without a lot of manufacturing of consent. And it would be so very convenient to let a spectacular terrorist strike happen so that the people could be carried away on a flood of patriotic emotion...

You see where this is leading? No need to arrange this or do that; just allow a terror strike that was already in the planning go through, lie about the origins of the terrorists, keep saying that you’re innocent defenders of freedom attacked by evildoers, and you can be sure that most of the people, the majority of whom – perhaps coincidentally – also happen to believe that there is no such thing as evolution, will go right along with you.

So, just as I do not believe that the aeroplanes which hit Pearl Harbor (sic) on 6/12/41 were American planes launched from the US Navy aircraft carriers which were mysteriously absent from the anchorage that day, I do not believe that the attacks on the World Trade Center (sic) on 11/9/01 were made by aeroplanes controlled by the US government; but in both cases, the use the US administrations of the time made to the respective attacks were such that there’s little doubt that they came extremely in handy, so much so that there would have been little actual difference had they been set up. After all, just five hours the attack, Donald Rumsfeld was already holding meetings discussing how to blame Saddam Hussein, someone who was absolutely opposed to Al Qaeda, the alleged culprits.

Also, it should be obvious that I don’t buy the “innocent victim” line; a nation that has been involved in more wars abroad than the rest of the world put together in the last sixty years, a nation that has propped up brutal dictators across the globe, a nation that treats the planet as its personal property, and has been complicit in the creation of the same demons it is now allegedly fighting, has no right to the epithet “innocent victim”. Yes, there were innocent victims – in the aeroplanes and in the buildings – but they were, in the final analysis, collateral damage at best and sacrificial pawns at worst. Certainly they had no more right to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness than some Afghan in a village near Kandahar or an Iraqi in a Baghdad souk who has been turned into roadkill on the way to Imperial glory. Why should this photo,



or this,



be any less iconic than this?



Wearing an Armani suit and earning US dollars doesn’t make you a superior being.

But, all right, let me – for the sake of argument – concede the point. Let me say that you’re right: the US was an innocent, freedom-loving, honest nation brutally subjected to an unprovoked attack by Islamofascist terrorists leading to the death of thousands of freedom-loving innocent honest Americans, and that the appropriate response to these attacks was to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, the latter of which had nothing to do with the attacks, as even "President" (as he then was) George W Bush was to admit. Let’s say you’re right in all that.

Assuming you are right, what is the result, eight years on, of the appropriate response that you’ve made to these dastardly and unprovoked attacks?

Even if we’re to ignore the deaths and injuries, the loss of property and livelihood, among the Afghans and Iraqis who are lesser beings than you, the Lords of the Universe, as inconsequential, what have you, actually, achieved?

You have taken a functioning secular Muslim nation, which had kept the fundamentalists at bay, and converted it into a hub of international terror, a society fractured by civil war and sectarian divisions, and you haven’t even succeeded in your objectives of either exploiting its oil or using it as a military base to intimidate or attack its neighbours.

Also, as I’ve repeatedly pointed out in the past, the Taliban in 2001 were on the verge of collapse from their internal divisions and essential inability to rule. You’ve taken on a doddering and incompetent grouping of mullahs and succeeded in turning them into a lethal and determined enemy who now can claim, with justification, to be nationalists, and whose final victory is only a matter of time.

You’ve managed to revive opium cultivation, which the Taliban had almost eradicated, and made it Afghanistan’s most important crop, and the heroin made from that opium is making its way right back to contaminate your own society.

You’ve, by your meddling, allowed the Taliban to make deep penetrations of Pakistan, a country which is of immensely more significance to the jihadist cause than Afghanistan, and not only because Pakistan has the Islamic world’s only declared arsenal of nuclear bombs.

You’ve turned what was never really a united terrorist organisation, Al Qaeda, into a loose franchise of terror cells scattered throughout the globe, without central direction and control and therefore a more difficult target than it ever was.

You’ve, while we’re on the subject, managed to make more people than ever before hate you, and with greater cause than ever before. If we were “all Americans” on 12/9, we’re now going to sympathise with your victims instead, and a reprise of 11/9 will, I predict, be greeted with wild cheers the world over, not with sorrow.

You’ve managed to get far more of your soldiers killed and maimed than your civilians were ever killed in the attacks of 11/9. A cure which causes more damage than the original disease isn’t usually thought to be a worthwhile cure.

You’ve managed to damage your international alliances to the extent that your “allies” will have second, third and fifteenth thoughts about being ever again associated with any war instigated by you.

You’ve proved to the world that men with AK47s, landmines and RPGs can, with sufficient determination, take on your tanks and fighters and UAVs and warships and fight you to a stalemate. You’ve, in fact, demonstrated that your super-soldiers can be beaten by village hicks. Is it a wonder that the world has begun defying you?

You’ve managed to run your own economy into the ground, while pouring more and more of your increasingly scarce funds into the black hole of your neverending wars, and your only flourishing industry is that concerned with military production, essentially an industry which needs even more wars to justify its continued existence.

Oh, and you haven’t even got those pipelines, and your puppet in Kabul has recently promulgated laws that validate marital rape and make the Taliban look liberal.

Do you still think, oh brave warriors of freedom, that it’s all worth it?

From my point of view, there are a few positives to the whole damned mess, though:

It has publicly demonstrated the hollowness of the US claim to be a bastion of freedom, and exposed it for what many of us had always known it was: an aggressive right wing militaristic dictatorship with fake “elections” whose results changed nothing, a nation ruled by and for the super-rich with no thought for the rest of the world, including the less well-off of American citizens.

It has exposed “Great” Britain for what it manifestly has been since the end of the Second World War: a pathetic appendage to the Americans, without even the independence to utter a pro forma protest, a colony so abject that it is unworthy even of contempt.

It has weakened the US and made the decline of the American Empire a real and present thing, instead of something we all knew was coming but not precisely when. This decline and subsequent fall will perhaps result in the break-up of the US, but even if it does not, a much weaker and humbler America can only be a good thing for the world as a whole.

Think about it while you keep shouting to the skies about the Day The World Stood Still. 

51 Kommentare:

  1. Bill, you're going to get pilloried here by everyone living south of the Canadian and north of the Mexican border with a red neck and a small brain - but I happen to agree with you.

    GREAT POST!!!!!

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  2. very well written thanxs Ltcom August Van Suchtelen US Navy Seals retired

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  3. I'm Cal Jennings and I endorse this message. ;)

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  4. Wow. Impressive. There's too many forces in the world working against each other. Now follow me for a second on this thought. What if behind the stage where these people you refer to as being 'American' aren't American at all. I think its a face put on to conveniently portray every American with a blanket statement that "America" is the source of all that is wrong in the world. What is the agenda is the bigger question and who, really who, are the players? Lets not blame a country of ~300 million people on the problems of ~6 billion people. I'm not saying that is what your doing. I'm just trying to shed some light as to what is possible. I totally haven't made up my mind on the attacks and wars in the last 20 or so years and who and what stands to gain from these events. I can tell you 1 thing though. Events like the ones we saw 8 years ago will continue to some sort of end game that is no doubt in the minds of those that committed those acts in the first place

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  5. Thanks for your perspective not filtered through the lens of provincial ‘patriotic’ nationalism.

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  6. Jesus Christ, Bill.

    You should think about sending this to a magazine or something.

    This, simply, is too good for a social network site. This is the best f***ing thing I've read on Multiply. And you know how long that's been, you've been there from day one. You know I praise the good often... but I'm sincere, this really is the shit. Billy with his claws out, eh? I'm looking forward to seeing the redneck response, if they've got the balls...

    P.S. Thanks for including Britain at the end. I can see Scotland getting devolution, this 'united kingdom' breaking up, too. Just as the actions of our politicians and civil servants are no fault of my own, I recognise that not all Americans are guilty as charged. But you've spoken for a great many of us, given words to what were some vague thoughts for some. A terrorist may not act out of hatred, but over recent years, thanks to writers like yourself, I've begun to understand much better the extent to which some people around the world do hate America.

    Example: when I quit as host here a few weeks back, we discussed whether to have a single prominent individual in charge, in my place. Most of the mods are American... it was suggested by one of them, a libertarian, that it might not be a great idea if that person were an American. It might put people off. That's a symptom of this hatred around the world.

    Once again, thanks.

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  7. Adam's point is well worth picking up on, too.

    The puppet-masters don't recognise nationality, they're globalists.

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  8. Very well written!!!!
    I agree with Nopigeonhole.This would be perfect for a magazine!

    I believe the problem with 11/9 is that the circumstances surrounding the lead-up to it,and the mess afterward,is so complex,so many people(governments,groups,countries,organizations,individuals......etc.),that we'll never know all of it.
    The mind gets confused with facts,counter-facts,stories,rumors,too many videos,and bold-face lies.Every person with a,"axe to grind",puts in their own biases.Be it,anti-government,anti-Muslim,anti-new world order....whatever.

    Ironically,for my country,Canada,one of it's best moments was when,then Prime Minister Jean Chretien stood up in the House Of Commons and said we would not follow America into Iraq.
    We've always felt like a mouse beside an elephant,and the mouse squeaked.....and realized it had a voice.

    Anyway....
    GREAT BLOG!!!

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  9. Thank you, Bill! A great article. I started to recommend it to my friends.

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  10. Ditto.

    Thanks, Mr. Geopolitics, for putting so many perfect words to something about which I'd only had a niggling feeling. As Astra said, there are thousands of minds too small or clouded to grasp the complications--and implications-- of what you've said, and those will be the ones who snarl and bite.

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  11. oh that my sad, sorry, America loving, dim witted, weak willed, pathetic government had done the same, no chance there. US Gov says jump and UK Gov says how high...............many of us said ''not in my name'' but we were ignored.

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  12. My mom used to say 'you'll catch more flies with honey than you will with vinegar' and I thought I'd pass on the advice. I agree with the portrait you paint, but I have reservations about the subject; I think you may be wrong assuming that a mass psychosis motivated an egocentric self-serving society of 350 million people to commit political and economic suicide in order to impose their ideas of 'freedom' on the world. On the contrary, I believe the American people have been used as a gigantic labor pool to further the ends of a relatively small group of elitists who feel it's their duty, right and privilege to run the world in their own image.

    You're right to steer clear of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists, not because they're wrong, but because they'll never be proven right. Was GWB complicit in the WTC bombing? Highly unlikely, the man didn't have two working brain cells. Were the buildings brought down by controlled demolition? Basic physics pretty much makes that a certainty. Remember, it doesn't take a conspiracy theory to justify prudence and it would have been entirely foolish to leave a declared target of that size in the open without having contingency plans in place for an event like the one that occurred. The attempted bombing of the same target ten years earlier would almost certainly have resulted in wiring those buildings for rapid controlled demolition in the event that their structural integrity was compromised. I expect the insurance underwriters for the complex required it. Keeping something like that secret would not be terribly difficult since it could have been easily compartmentalized and final execution would have involved a very small team convinced that they were saving lives (which they were) and that it was in the best interests of their personal and national security to shut up about it.

    I'd suggest that rather than alienating the 'rednecks', you concentrate on the message; the Reichstag was bombed by someone who wanted to start a war. At the time, John and Jane Q. Public, defenders of the American Way of Life, were not those people. Exactly who they are remains an exercise left to the student, but you're going to need all the help you can get when you find out.

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  13. Hi, I'm over from Will's site.
    I wish my country had done the same thing. Now we are in Iraq and Afghanistan and frankly, most of us are sick and tired of it. Not to mention the fact we now have to deal with ever increasing evidence that our PM has been talked into a war for no good reason at all. Sigh ...

    We ARE a mouse ... and we squeaked to the wrong tune ... sadly.

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  14. EXCELLENT take on one of the greatest cons ever perpetrated.

    (Particularly appreciate the challenge as to why one atrocity is greater than another, simply by virtue of the socio-ethnic-economic target. Human life is human life---to feel "ours" is greater bears such significance of the sense of entitlement felt by the 'Ugly American.')

    No slamming here---just a hearty congratulations on a well-written post. I agree you should submit as an editorial or an article to something with a greater distribution.

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  15. I have stood on the proverbial rooftop ranting against George W. Bush and the Iraq war before he invaded that country but I have no applause for your blog. When 3000 people are killed on U.S. soil there is going to be a rumble – that’s just the way we roll. However, these are my regrets – had Al Gore ascended to the Presidency there is a good chance the plot would have been averted – read Richard Clark. There should have been one agenda going into Afghanistan – get Ben Laden and the other perpetrators of 9/11 then get out – no nation building. I understand we had a deal with the Northern Alliance to rid the country of the Taliban if they helped us get Ben Laden but once that was done it was up to them to govern.

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  16. You know, that reminds me of what a former Indian Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi, said on the killing of 2000 Indian Sikhs in rioting after his mother was killed by her Sikh bodyguards: "When a big tree falls, the ground shakes."

    The 11/9 attacks were planned in Hamburg and the pilots trained in Florida. Would you nuke those places?

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  17. I finally find a community where so many see sense,
    phew

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  18. Good to have you here sujay :)

    Feel free to invite your friends too

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  19. I have heard theories like that about Pearl Harbor.

    Al Bielek said that he and his brother Duncan Cameron were told not to go to Pearl Harbor as originally planned because they knew it was going to get hit. Rather they needed Al and Duncan, who had advanced degrees in physics, to work on The Philadelphia Experiment.

    According to the legend the Philadelphia Experiment started when the U.S. Navy began using a very powerful and highly classified welding process to weld the hulls of ships during WW II. They noticed that when the welder was used objects like tool boxes and other things would disappear. They eventually came to the conclusion that the welder was producing a miniature black hole effect. They wanted to explore the military implications of this phenomenon.

    When the 9/11 attacks first happened and people said that it was really a missile that struck the pentagon I thought perhaps that somehow they had put the real plane into another time like back with the dinosaurs or something.

    I stayed at the Marriott Hotel at the WTC about three weeks before the 9/11 attacks to attend a Dark Shadows Festival. There was an interesting TV show on this weekend called 'Hotel Ground Zero' which talked about the destruction of this hotel which was located directly below the twin towers.

    During the first attack on the WTC in the 1990s those lunatics attempted to set off a massive truck bomb underneath the corner of one of the towers. But they drove the truck too far into the basement and it actually went off underneath the Mariott Hotel. This was very fortunate because if it had gone off under the corner of the tower as planned they could have toppled it. This would have created a catastrophe which would have dwarfed what really happened on 9/11. At least on 9/11 those buildings collapsed exactly as they were designed to do. Although shocking this is a great testament to the skill of the architects who created those buildings. They couldn't have brought them down any better if they had done it intentionally.

    It also had the effect of requiring that the hotel's infrastructure be reinforced. This allowed parts of the hotel to remain standing after first one of the towers and then the other came crashing down on top of it. This saved more lives.

    The 9/11 attacks were devastating but there were probably things that could have happened to make it even worse.

    The first attack on the WTC will probably be remembered as one of the worst cases of not heeding a warning in history. The government should have taken terrorism more seriously at that point and started making airplanes more secure and other things.

    The conclusion of the 9/11 commission was that the 9/11 attacks were caused by a lack of imagination.

    A good leader would have probably had this imagination. But we had Bill Clinton who was too busy hanging out in the oval office with Monica and then trying to weasel his way out of a long string of lies on national television. Who knows how much all of these distractions could have caused 9/11 ?

    Jeff Marzano

    The Truth About The Philadelphia Experiment ~ Philadelphia Experiment Survivors (DVD - 2007)

    The Black Hole ~ Kristy Swanson; Judd Nelson; David Selby; (DVD - 2006)

    Dark Shadows: DVD Collection 17 (1966)

    The introduction of Quentin, portrayed brilliantly by David Selby, was a high mark for the show and rejuvenated its fan base. The story involving Quentin has all of the elements that made Dark Shadows a true classic, resulting in these DVD releases of its five-year run --- the only soap opera in history to have such treatment.
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  20. I forgot to mention that's a famous picture in your original message:

    napalm-vietnam.jpg

    That happened when the wrong village was accidentally bombed with napalm during the Viet Nam war. That little naked girl had her clothes burned off. She survived and I have seen her on TV in later years.

    This picture became one of the symbols of the Viet Nam war I guess.

    Another famous picture is of a monk who had poured gasoline all over his body and set himself on fire as a protest about the war.

    Napalm is one of those things that people have created to torment each other more effectively. Gasoline is mixed with a thickening agent. This creates a sort of gel that sticks to the skin as it burns.

    I think they invented Napalm during WW II and it was used in the Pacific theater but I could be wrong.

    Jeff Marzano

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  21. One more bravo from me, Bill. whatever worth it might be.

    About "wearing Armani" etc.

    Ironically, the "Americans" your article seems to address neither wear an Armani nor roll in those dollars.
    Poverty in the USA is an open secret. From another view, it is a covered-up reality.

    That places the USA into the same class of countries to the south of it, Latin American dictatorships, or pseudo-democracies, or oligarchies.

    All it takes is to look at the income distribution.

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  22. Well, I suppose it's a story that needed telling. It could do with a lot more sticking to the facts.. and no editorialising or Bush snarking. Sometimes words work even better without a pointy stick adding emphasis.

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  23. Show us where he went off the facts, paintedtorrent ?

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  24. I'm not disputing the facts. I'm complaining about being snide. (Ironic, if you knew me.) I'll pluck some lines if you insist.

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  25. You said this article could 'do with a lot more sticking to the facts'. Far as i know, you're not even a member of this group, so under no obligations... but which facts?

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  26. One more time. (And whether I'm a 'member of the group or not,' my obligations might change?)
    I have no problem with the facts. They all seem fine and relevant to me.
    By 'sticking to,' I meant, let the facts speak for themselves without the extra political jabs and assigning the reader 'blame' for the War on Terror.. etc. There is a critical tone to the piece, which may be intentional, and deserved, but I think the telling would be more effective if the tone were more impartial.

    Are you trying to pick a fight? I'm a liberal tree hugger from way back, and I believve Bush and Cheney were the biggest threat to Domestic Tranquility we've had in decades.

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  27. Indeed, that was quite an unnecessary remark by Bill.

    Having said that, I also think that his frustration with America (he is not alone, on that) may have compelled him to say those.

    I we take that as a means of a secondary message, it can read as: "I have enough of American's arrogant attitude."

    But, granted, one is not required to read it that way.

    I also had an exception to Bill's remark about Americans wearing Armani suits... referring to the general mentality (gullibility) that the US seeks freedom and justice.

    Yes, not only the three date notation standards are as valid as any, more importantly, there is no ambiguity in 9-11 at all. For example, "The Great October Revolution" in Russia did actually NOT take place in October per the Julian Calendar either...

    On the other hand, knowing Bill, I am very willing to read his articles and weed out his emotional outrages; or interpret them favorably. BTW, as a standards freak #2 (myself), I invite you to seriously consider a 13 month, 4 weeks per month calendar. That way, each month would become EXACTLY 4 weeks.

    7 days => 1 week
    4 weeks => one (new?) month = 28 days exactly
    13 months => one year = 13 months = 52 weeks = 365 days

    How about that?

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  28. lol no

    You wouldn't be the first to think that, it's just me :)

    Since you are now a member, you'll see the guidelines etc... your only 'obligation' is to remain civil in debate, which it sounds like you probably will be. General idea is total free speech, but we clamp down on the obvious with zero tolerance. I do chuck my weight around in here a little... it's my job :)

    Welcome. I see your point about Bill's tone. You should see his atheist satire!

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  29. That doesn't apply to replies, and it's only a vague guideline anyway. Nobody really observes it much. It's just in place to prevent people from spamming the shit out of the boards with ten posts a day on the same hateful nonsense, like 'we hate Israel' or 'we hate Muslims' or 'we hate America'... variety is desirable :)

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  30. gurcanaral: I can understand, yet not appreciate, the tendency for some to attack an entire group because of the actions of a tiny selection of that group. Take the War On Terror, for instance. After the attacks on 9/11, many posts I had read on the Internet and careless words uttered by associates blamed the entire Afghan/Iraqi/Irani/African/whatever people, or even the entire Middle-East, for the attacks, and spread many words of unnecessary hatred. It's an emotional attack, and certainly helped to spur my addition of point #10.

    Regarding your standards remark, it appears I'm going to have to keep an eye on you, fellow one-upper. ;) However, to one-up you myself, 52 weeks of 7 days each works out to 364 days. So you've got an extra day on your hands with which to celebrate. Perhaps we could term this 'Octember' in honour of one of the great writers of our time!

    That way, we can also have a 'leap Octember' when necessary, adding another day of celebration every four years. This, of course, will be accomplished once we kick out the global elite and start running the planet properly. <smirk>

    Speaking of date standards, a fellow thinker on Multiply who is a Quaker notes that they count months rather than use names based on Pagan conventions. When the colonies in the U.S. were being formed, they were using the Julian calendar as the Gregorian calendar apparently wasn't used until 1752. The Julian year begins on March 25th, the first month, and February is the twelfth month. For those who are insane enough to wish to further contemplate this system, an article exists at http://www.illuminatrix.com/andria/quaker.html.

    NPH: Oh, okay. Well, paranoia saved the day anyway as far as I'm concerned. <grin> Hatred is indeed a waste of time and resources. I understand there are other groups on Multiply which serve such needs.

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  31. 9/11 versus 11/9

    Well, let's see. In the notation used in most parts of the world, the day of the month comes before the month; and therefore, when you say 11/9, for most people who use languages other than English (US), 11/9 means September the Eleventh. I used 11/9 for several reasons:

    1. I am using the notation which means something to me; and just as I would use the Metric System in preference to the obsolete and incomprehensible system of weights and measures the Americans insist on using, I use what i know and understand.
    2. Since the fashion is now to refer to every terrorist strike by the date (eg the Mumbai attacks of 26 November last year are now called 26/11) it becomes even more important than ever to get the date format right so there is no room for confusion. Since, as the Indian writer Arundhati Roy has said, we have lost the right to our own tragedies, we have to take the nomenclature from the Americans, so at least we should know which date we are talking about. If there are two attacks, one on 7 June and the other on 6 July, don’t you think it would be an insult to the victims to confuse the two? Who decides which is 7//6 and which is 6/7, thokling? You?
    3. I’m a dentist. In dental notation of teeth, there are several systems, one of which is called the Universal system. As far as I know, only American dentists use the “Universal system”, which is why they named it the “Universal system”, I think, just as the American club baseball championship is known as the World Series. You flatter the US notation enormously if you imagine it’s “universal”: I suggest that if you ever come to the Eastern hemisphere you stop the average man in the street and ask him which date 9/11 suggests to him. The answer is more likely than not going to surprise you.
    4. As a follow-up of Nos. 3 and 4 above, calling 11/9 “9/11” is liable to result in confusion, at least to my brain, which is so limited in comparison to yours, thokling; especially since 9 November is Guy Fawkes Night, a festival in Britain, and is also liable therefore to be a greater insult to the victims of the 11/9 attacks than using the other system. I’m sure you can have your own take on this. Perhaps you have other ideas? Maybe the British should shift Guy Fawkes Night to some other date. If you asked them nicely, I think they would.
    5. I happen to think that any system which goes day/month/year is far more logical than a system that goes month/day/year since the day is the smallest unit and the year the largest. So, until and unless the world as a whole decides formally to abandon the European system, I will continue to use this.

    Harbor versus Harbour

    I happen to speak English. It’s not my language; I first learnt it as a six-year old. My teachers, therefore, were strict about ensuring I did not pick up bad spelling and grammatical habits. Since they taught me English (UK), which is what we use in this country, I use the spellings that we use in English (UK); to me, “harbour”, “colour” and so on are correct. You should instead be conscious of the fact that I used Harbor and Center instead of merely changing their spellings, thus respecting American sentiments; but because they are spellings I have been taught are incorrect, I placed “sic” at the end. You ought to appreciate that, my friend.

    As for the rest of your points, I’ll discuss them some other time, if you wish. I’m going offline now. Have a nice...day?

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  32. I can fully understand the confusion of dates.Which goes first?
    For me,I can go either way,doesn't really matter,I guess.But....wouldn't it be more logical if it was done the way we speak it? September 11,2001.(9/11/01).At least,that's how I say it.

    When it comes to Harbor/Harbour:
    Doesn't it have to do with a place name,in this case?
    It's Pearl Harbor.That's what it's called.That's how it is spelled on maps,and by the people that live there.
    It doesn't matter how you think it should be spelled,it's how the people that live there spell it that's important.They could spell it harber for all I care.If that's the official spelling,then that's how I spell it.

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  33. But 7/11 is open 24 hours most places. And you can get a Slurpee.

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  34. И финк ит шуд бе спелт Перл Hарбер, бест цомпромиз! Шеела, гет сум тинниес ин тhе йоот фор да барби дис аво лол

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  35. Bill: Any rebuttal on my part would result in repeating various points within my response. I choose to employ my time constructively otherwise. Good luck there.

    timelord: Yes, excellent point. If someone spelled my name "Rawn", I would have accused them of spelling it "wrawng". I was more concerned about the focus on the alleged misspelling and misstamping of the events and places in question. Energy can be used for more constructive purposes than pursuing disagreement.

    NPH: Indeed, and that way everyone understands one another when standards are maintained. <grin>

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  36. Pretty soon every day of the year is going to be infamous.

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  37. You seem to complete miss the hidden symbolism in 9/11...

    Take note that 9-1-1 is the number you call when you are in distress!

    Hence, for an American, it has a deeper "aesthetic".

    Compare that to calling it September 11; or 11th of September, or 11-9, or 11.9.2009, or as a Swede would, 2009.09.11

    They all lack that pizzazz...

    Soory Bill. It will be called 9/11...
    : ))

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  38. Give it up, Bill. Give it up.
    "Most parts of the World"? Which MOST is that?

    C'mon.

    Half of the World is Chinese. The other half is Hindu (as you well know). And then there are the Muslims, who have a totally different calendar, not even 365 days per year.The Islamic calendar is now used primarily for religious purposes, and for official dating of public events and documents in Muslim countries. Because of its nature as a purely lunar calendar, it cannot be used for agricultural purposes and historically Islamic communities have used other calendars for this purpose: the Egyptian calendar was formerly widespread in Islamic countries, and the Iranian calendar and the 1789 Ottoman calendar (a modified Julian calendar) were also used for agriculture in their countries. In Morocco, the ancient Julian calendar is still used by farmers in the countryside. These local solar calendars have receded in importance with the near-universal adoption of the Gregorian calendar for civil purposes. As noted above, Saudi Arabia uses the Islamic calendar to date religious occasions such as Ramadan, Hajj, etc. and the Umm-al-Qura calendar, based on calculations, for administrative purposes and daily government business.[35]

    So.

    After several halves (!) of the world not even relating to 9/11, what do you sat, Bill?
    : )

    I know. You are mad at America and want to spill it out.

    Last bit not least, let us not forget about the Mayan Calendar either.

    While the Arabic Calendar (Hidjrie) may be a 'traditional' one, the Mayan is perhaps the most precise celestial one.

    Alas, it neither has a "September" in it, nor a 9/11

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  39. That's rather ironic. Even in anger.. it's all about America ain't it. We just can't win for losing. *laugh*

    Next we can discuss North American Centric views of globe maps....

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  40. hahahahaha
    I suggest you go take a course in geography.

    You may even enjoy it,
    It may not go well with your current world views and geopolitical naivete but who knows..
    there may still be hope.

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  41. hahahahaha

    Do these guys come in your image of the world..
    Russians
    zionists
    philipinos
    australians
    bangladeshis
    Indians
    Malaysia
    (Unless by chinese you just mean all those who have small eyes,ears and noses...)

    I suggest you go take a course in geography.
    You may even enjoy it,
    It may not go well with your current world views and geopolitical naivete but who knows..
    there may still be hope.

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  42. hahahahaha

    Do these guys come in your image of the world..
    Russians
    zionists
    philipinos
    australians
    bangladeshis
    Indians
    Malaysia
    (Unless by chinese you just mean all those who have small eyes,ears and noses...)

    I suggest you go take a course in geography.
    You may even enjoy it,
    It may not go well with your current world views and geopolitical naivete but who knows..
    there may still be hope.

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  43. As a starter, here is one from Ronald Reagan's view of America and of the World:


    Note the Country "Muslim Fanatics", sandwiched between "Injuns" and "Our Oil". This ancient map proves itself to have been very accurate then and very accurate today(!)

    Proof that the rest of the map got to be accurate, too.

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  44. I want to apologize to Bill for having digressed so much on this post of him of a very serious nature. It all started with me taking an exception to his "right calendar" slant. While I disagree on that very minor issue, I am grateful for his post inviting us to look away from the mirror where we admire our own beauty, and, once in a while, try to see what other people look like.

    I invite him to feel free to delete such replies of mine, if he deems them to dilute his very thoughtful and serious article.

    I don't know how I got carried away. Sh*t happens.

    No. I know. I could not resist to re-hash those "maps" above.

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  45. On behalf of Bill The Butcher,who is suffering from' flu (not swine),and is offline, and dictating this over the cell:

    Come on Gurcan, we've known each other for long enough for you to know that I wouldn't take umbrage at such a minor thing. Also, I never, ever under any circumstances, delete replies.

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  46. Hope he recovers soon.

    About "deleting". I know he would not. What I wanted to say was this:
    Once, a dialog on one of MY posts got so off-course, in order to preserve the integrity of the replies to the post, I weeded out the off-tangent ones and re-posted them in another post all by themselves; and let everyone know about that.

    For example, about these "distorted maps" and the "calendar" issue, he, or someone on his behalf, could do a similar thing: Take out the "map" chatter and place them all by themselves as a seperate post. Do the same thing about the "calendar".

    I would consider that fair and legit. The author of the original post has rights, too, such as NOT having his blog "bastardized".

    Bill is serious writer. Hence, I would welcome if he would do such a re-structuring.

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  47. What a great cross-section of people we once had replying here...

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