Military interrogators: Waterboarding didn't yield tips that led to bin Laden
Several former military interrogators refute assertions that waterboarding and other 'enhanced' methods provided intelligence that led the US to bin Laden. Some lament lost opportunity to grill Al Qaeda's leader.
A demonstrator is held down during a simulation of waterboarding outside the Justice Department in Washington in this Nov. 5, 2007 file photo. A group of former US military interrogators are pushing back against the notion that Bush administration 'enhanced' methods led to the intelligence that helped US officials locate Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
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My conclusion, then? Without torture, Osama bin Laden might have been found many years ago. Torture remains illegal, as well as counter-productive, and attempts to revive it as a topic for "debate" are as vile and unprincipled as attempts to claim that the death of Osama bin Laden somehow justifies the ongoing existence of Guantánamo.
AntwortenLöschenhttp://www.uruknet.info/?p=m77445&hd=&size=1&l=e
no am going to get mad
AntwortenLöschenthey want to increase war not bring people home
But while the administration bathes in the glory of its recent assassination, there are others who, though they oppose bin Laden's views, are appalled by the carnival of patriotism and hate whipped up after his murder. Many more say they feel no more safer today after bin Laden's death than they did a few days ago--the latest New York Times/CBS News poll found only 16 percent felt more safe.
With its recent assassination success, the Obama administration aims to prop up and extend--not end--its worldwide war on terror. Which means more assassinations and more wars abroad. We have to oppose all these efforts--and make it clear that the U.S. government is the real danger, to people in this country and around the world.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m77441&hd=&size=1&l=e
uh-huh. (?)
AntwortenLöschenHitler’s doctrine of Aryan Supremacy taught Germans that they were a superior race and, as such, were free to write their own rules. German economists manipulated trade and finance relationships to harness the economies of others to theirs. Violating the Treaty of Versailles they remilitarized the Rhineland. The Anschluss in Austria and the fall of Czechoslovakia followed, then World War II and the “final solution,” the liquidation of people considered undesirable. To fulfill Hitler’s dream the Germans surrendered their common sense and were rewarded with misery.
AntwortenLöschenOur version of the Hitler myth is the idea of American Exceptionalism. Our free market ideologies dominate the economies of client states putting them in service to international commerce instead of caring for their citizenry. We needn’t cooperate with others, can launch pre-emptive wars. Our exceptionalism helps us rationalize our self-indulgent lifestyles while millions of the worlds people sink further into misery and hopelessness.
http://owatonna.com/content/myth-american-exceptionalism
Maybe I should have highlighted the entire section. I thought you were referring to the war on terror and that there must be opposition to these efforts and that it is the US that is the danger (not the terrorists) to this country and the world.
AntwortenLöschenImplying then that the US should stop fighting terrorism around the world?
I guess I misinterpreted you, eh? Or did I?
am so sorry to tell you
AntwortenLöschenthe only terrorism is created by usa govt in your minds with fear of others who are really our brothers and sisters in this fight
who is blowing who up, who are the terrorists
The killer couple in the White House offered no condolences or apologies, presumably on the assumption that the elder Gaddafi had invited his family to his residence to act as human shields, and was therefore responsible for their deaths.
AntwortenLöschenIt would not occur to most Americans that Gaddafi and his family were entitled to feel safe under international law and American law, which bar assassinations of heads of state, and that United Nations resolution 1973 does not authorize NATO to hunt down the Libyan leader or kill those around him. But he’s only a cartoon, and cartoons have no rights. Neither do the countries these cartoons come from, as every American knows.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/killing-gaddafis-grandbabies
As it turned out, the Saif that died along with three of Gaddafi’s grandchildren, Saif al-Arab, the youngest of the brothers, was also the least political. The grandkids, ages 6 months to two years, were, of course, totally apolitical and, presumably, quite cute. But vaunted American “compassion” does not extend to the grandbabies of evil Arab cartoon-men.
AntwortenLöschenA dark cloud has been lifted from the skies of Afghanistan and Pakistan's northwest regions.
AntwortenLöschenThe infamous, firebrand, Saudi born, head of Al-Qaida has been hunted down and killed in a compound in Pakistan by the US and Pakistani special forces.
Funny thing about Pakistan's tribal agencies is that not so long ago they bristled with color and beauty and were famous tourist destinations. Cultures almost untouched by time went about their daily routine unafraid of bombs, bullets and so-called militants. Peace used to prevail there.
Then came the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1980s, and all changed. The Afghan mujahidin, not so secretly aided by the US government, began a mighty fight-back to retake their ancestral lands from the Godless soviets.
The entire area was turned upside down as the then two mighty world superpowers slugged it out; and the fate of peaceful and colorful communities in Pakistan's tribal regions was sacrificed to the fight.
The first signs of trouble came in 1998 when the US submarines in the Sea of Oman fired Cruise missiles at a compound in Afghanistan. Very few people knew who Al-Qaida was or indeed what Al-Qaida meant at that time. But that was put right with the Sep 11, 2001 events.
There are many conspiracy theories surrounding the 9/11 atrocities but to date no definite proof has been provided that any group other than Al-Qaida had been behind the attacks on the twin towers and the Pentagon; however that issue of "who's done it" belongs to the grander scheme of things.
The frightening thing is what has been happening to the communities in Pakistan's northwest: beaten down and intimidated on a daily basis by extremist Wahabi elements, funded by certain characters in Saudi Arabia and the UAE, the communities have shed their colorful clothes and way of life, abandoned their thousands of years old culture, have become invisible and lost their individual identities.
Terror and terrorism exacted a most heavy price on their previously picture postcard lives. Poverty, hunger and war descended upon them and blighted anything they ever held dear. Saudi born Bin Laden's lunatic followers took away education from women and men alike and replaced it with explosive vests and Kalashnikov rifles. Tourism died and with it all hope of the locals for leading full, fruitful lives.
Pakistan became a battle ground as Afghanistan reeled under another invasion and occupation. And the rest has been recorded by the world media: minute by minute.
Meanwhile the irresponsible actions of a self-proclaimed holy man cost the lives of a million Iraqis and tens of thousands of Afghan and Pakistani civilians.
Terror, terrorism and tyranny are not dead, sadly, and cannot be buried with Bin Laden and his accomplices. But hopefully his death will provide justifiable reasons for the foreign forces present in the region to leave in large enough numbers to allow peace to return.
The world community's next major hurdle is to destroy tyranny wherever it is found to be flourishing. From Myanmar to Morocco, from Waziristan to Washington, tyrannical ideologies and loony tune schools of philosophy and theosophy must be challenged and defeated, so the good people of the world can sigh a relief. Shamanistic leaders with violent agendas -whatever else their disciples may choose to call them- must be discarded once and for all from the troubled and tragic chapter of human existence.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/177810.html
Boy, ask a simple question. I'm not going to even read all of that. good night.
AntwortenLöschenAs it turned out, the Saif that died along with three of Gaddafi’s grandchildren, Saif al-Arab, the youngest of the brothers, was also the least political. The grandkids, ages 6 months to two years, were, of course, totally apolitical and, presumably, quite cute. But vaunted American “compassion” does not extend to the grandbabies of evil Arab cartoon-men.
AntwortenLöschenand i have to say, i read quite a bit so that way i am well informed
AntwortenLöschengood night