Guantanamo ex-detainee claims memos show UK involved in alleged torture
Lucas Tanglen at 9:55 AM ET
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[JURIST] Former Guantanamo Bay [JURIST news archive] detainee Binyam Mohamed [BBC profile; JURIST news archive] claimed in Sunday media reports that documents sent from MI5 [official website] to the CIA [official website] show that the British intelligence agency was involved with his alleged torture in Morocco [JURIST news archive]. Mohamed
claimed [Daily Mail report] the documents reveal that MI5 fed the CIA questions that ended up in the hands of his Moroccan interrogators. A telegraph to the CIA dated November 5, 2002, reportedly has the heading, "Request for further Detainee questioning." Mohamed, a native of Ethiopa [JURIST news archive] who claims to have been transferred to Morocco for torture under a US program of extraordinary rendition [JURIST news archive], said he obtained the documents through the US
legal process while seeking his release from Guantanamo Bay. Conservative MP David Davis [political website] called for investigations [Telegraph report] into British collusion in torture.
Last week, the UK government's independent reviewer of terror laws called for a judicial inquiry [JURIST report] into British complicity in US rendition and torture. British media reported last week that UN special rapporteur on torture Manfred Nowak told British ministers that MI5 may have been complicit [JURIST report] in torture committed while detainees including Mohamed were in US custody. Mohamed was returned to the UK [JURIST report] last week following seven years of detention, including five at Guantanamo Bay, where he was held on charges of conspiring to commit
terrorism. Those charges were dismissed [JURIST report] in October, but Mohamed remained in custody while US authorities considered filing new charges.
English people will make protest marches, strips and petitions asking for the punishment of the criminals for the torture. The Americans won't make anything. They like so much of torturers. Didn't they put one in the White House and later they did choose another what won't do anything against the such?
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That may be true of 'some' Americans, Sith. And believe me, there's plenty of national pride and anti-Muslim sentiment in Britain right now.
AntwortenLöschenThanks for this G. Great update on the wider topic.
You are wrong. On this exact moment the Briton are beating Brazilian.
AntwortenLöschenI never said my government, the monarchy or their military and intelligence don't use or condone use of torture. I'd like to think English people on the whole wouldn't condone it, but I notice a growing tide of bad feeling in this country toward minorities, for various reasons. Lot of people I know would read the name 'Binyam Mohammed' and just switch off... 'just another Arab'. The negative propaganda is working, creating resentment and apathy.
AntwortenLöschenI don't see any innovation. They were English that invented the racists theories (Thomas Buckle).
AntwortenLöschenThe English that you mention are just returning to their roots.
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England, best to be far away from it.
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I acknowledge your opinion, and I'd agree that England has more blood on her hands than most. Cecil Rhodes springs to mind also.
AntwortenLöschenHowever, these generalisations I see all over need to be kept under control in a forum like this. The British Empire wasn't my fault. The Ottoman empire wasn't Gurcan's fault. Naqba in Gaza isn't Steve's fault. Al Qaeda isn't Saharaman's fault. And the Iraq war isn't Rat's fault. I'm not sure if Brazil ever invaded anyone?
Point is, I'd like to see us bring down a few walls here, not reinforce existing ones. I have a responsibility to keep order, and I will abide by Multiply's TOS
I think you didn't understand me.
AntwortenLöschenI don't accuse you or "all" English in general, just those English that practiced actions violent and
racists and that they deserve to be treated with the rigidity of the Law (this is not happened in the
case of Jean Charles, murder for English policemen). If English criminals don't go treaties with
the rigidity of the English Law I will say that the UK sank in the racism.
I like Gurca, especially when he doesn't use his intellectual Cucri. Gurca is very smart and thorny.
Any way I will be far away from England. Brazil is a shit country but at least I already know what
to wait here.
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Brazil is a beautiful country and one I'd like to visit
AntwortenLöschenBrazil is a beautiful country and one I'd like to visit
AntwortenLöschenI find better you to wait some time Martin. Príncipe Charles' visit and his declarations
AntwortenLöschenon the Amazonian they displeased Brazilian soldiers and nationalists.
A peaceful English calmly walking through the streets of the Brazilian cities take pictures
can end being done in pieces.
Let us know when YOU are away....so we can dare to visit Rio
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what's an intellectual Cucri?
AntwortenLöschenOk, stop right there! It wasn`t murder.
AntwortenLöschenPhewwww...
AntwortenLöschenFor an instant I read it as "horny"...
Yes, our mutual affection is real, but not THAT much.
Joke aside...
I am thorny. And yes, I am abrasive like a sand-paper. Because I hate beating around the bush (not "Bush", just "the bush")
I welcome others to behave that way, towards me as well.
Because I do not have much time left to spend on "being polite and political".
Yeah, I was thinking that.
AntwortenLöschenHi Gurcan,
AntwortenLöschenAlthough I readily admit it is certainly torture from what I understand happened to him, (including the cutting of his penis), working with the Taliban and Northern Alliance forces was a bad choice on his part.
I suggest he should have gone elsewhere to kick his drug addiction (other than the poppy fields) and to have learned of his religion from other moderate likes and not the Taliban.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2026521.ece
Heh. In light of that, if he wasn't radical before he went into Guantanamo, he is now! Or a spy.
AntwortenLöschenGood Q. and I wonder also, so;
AntwortenLöschenHow about, the U.S. and U.K. know they will lose due to the severe torturing that said detainee received and his statements were made under said duress conditions, so therefore, the defendant pleads not-guilty.
What evidence does the U.S. or the U.K. have ?... solid evidence that is.
* certainly there is more to learn about this case*
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Gurcan, if there ever was a perfect government or authority that has not overstepped its lawful authority, one time or another, in the name of justice.......
What country has better infrastructure, civil rights and "Habeas Corpus" than Corporate America ?
America is still young and learning.
Only Gurca can answer, Martin.
AntwortenLöschenWhen an English citizen is depressed to shots in the subway of São Paulo for being
confused with a member of PCC (criminal group from São Paulo)
will the English people say that the Brazilian policemen are criminal? For me the one that they say will be irrelevant. I will remember the case of Jean Charles - as many Brazilian in fact.
The starsandstripes1 is previsible. She defends the terrorism of American State and defends
the torture practiced by Americans. I already beginning to think that she belongs the Central of
Official American Terrorism (called affectionately CIA).
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Less of the personal attacks please
AntwortenLöschenThe one that you interpret as personal attack it is just a Latin-American good mood
AntwortenLöschendemonstration.
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For us Latin-Americans everything is and it is not personal.
AntwortenLöschenparty on dude
AntwortenLöschenNo. Us Latin we are different from English and Americans.
AntwortenLöschenWe are contradictory and we admitted our contradictions.
I think it is for this that we are more happier in spite of less rich.
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As will a lot of Britons ............. doesn`t make it murder though.
AntwortenLöschenWould you mind doing that thread, Steve? If not now, another day... one you should host
AntwortenLöschenYep, no worries.
AntwortenLöschenHabeas corpus (IPA: /ˌheɪbiːæsˈkɔːpəs/) (Latin: You (shall) have the body) is a legal action, or writ, through which a person can seek relief from the unlawful detention of him or herself, or of another person.
AntwortenLöschenIt protects the individual from harming him or herself, or from being harmed by the judicial system.
The writ of habeas corpus has historically been an important instrument for the safeguarding of individual freedom against arbitrary state action
Sorry Gurcan.. good topic but the thread has been .... say hijacked in my humbled opinion. Next time.
AntwortenLöschenYes, but if a British one be murdered in Brazil the authorities will apply the rigidity of the law to the same murderer (especially if he is Brazilian). This didn't happen in UK, that absolved the gunmen of the
AntwortenLöschenBritish polices that cowardly abated the Brazilian Jean Charles.
Who is civilized, who barbaric in this history?
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You have no clue what you are talking about.
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AntwortenLöschenNo problem...
Yes I have... the shameful death of an unarmed innocent one with shots in the head inside of the subway of London.
AntwortenLöschenLOL
LOL? Do you know what LOL stands for? Were you actually doing that when you typed this reply?
AntwortenLöschenhttp://geopolitics.multiply.com/journal/item/40/De_Menezes_-_Murder_or_Mistake
AntwortenLöschenAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhh you think I don't know when I can or should laugh at the face of an idiot?
AntwortenLöschenI see you still haven't managed to find, or contribute to the thread where we are actually discussiing the matter you are making claims about, despite being supplied with the link.
AntwortenLöschenAnd you call other people idiots. How ironic.
It doesn't advance you say it was offended.
AntwortenLöschenYou are not victim... you sustain terrorists and it likes this.
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Does this make sense to anyone?
AntwortenLöschenThought not.
Nobody is stupid as you and all know
AntwortenLöschenthat you like USA's terrorism. When the other
terrorists ones to catch you... I will be laughing.
You have no idea what I like or don't like.
AntwortenLöschenMaking assumptions about people with no data to back them up is a classic sign of stupidity.
Perhaps finger up ass you should.
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You are flat, but little intelligent.
AntwortenLöschenYou already made very clear that likes of the American terrorism.