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Donnerstag, 19. März 2009
9/11 - The Myth and the Reality
Here, Dr. David Ray Griffin gives a speech on the myths surrounding the World Trade Centre tragedy of September 11th 2001, arguably the single most significant event in 21st Century history...
I certainly don't discount Cossiga's statement. IMO It wouldn't have been that difficult to recruit the hijackers, it also bothers me that no one seems to have been able to explain why Mossad agents were in position "to observe" 9/11. I believe Bush had an agenda when he was elected to go after Hussein, the timing of a terror attack on American soil was just too convenient...and the patriot act was already to go...
don't forget that the bushies also failed to proof the 911-iraq-alqaida connection and iraq's arsenal of lethal wmds, the "infamous 45 minute threat"....and i just can't believe that planes can fly pass the restricted airspace so easily without being intercepted by national airguard's f-16s...
The problem is nobody was ever convinced about the Saddam Hussein/Al Quaeda connection, were they?
And I have no problem believing the American airforce were slow to react to the hijacked planes. When was the last time American soil had been attacked? Pearl Harbour. Gaps in time like that tend to make you a little rusty, not to mention overly secure.
The planes that hit the World Trade Center were unstoppable. The one that hit the Pentagon should have been intercepted. I don't recall anybody being disciplined for that one either. Curious.
*groan* how many times have I seen this argument...
And how many times have buildings constructed like the twin towers been struck by planes as large and powerful as boeing 757's? Never. I also had a good conversation with a structural engineer on this topic. It was enough to make me dismiss stuff like this.
A 757 is larger than a 747, and these were feuled for a cross-continent trip. They left from Boston, which at 300 mph is not that far from NYC time wise. The Towers were destroyed by the planes. Who sent 'em may be another question.
To be fair to the air traffic controllers, those were regularly scheduled flights, and while they were off their flight patterns, it would have been amazing if they had thought to call an air force base, and convinced them to scramble planes at that point.
As I said, the one that hit the Pentagon is another story...
although it's a scheduled flight, those planes are still monitored by the atcs right ? and have to answer to their comms ? surely the atc would've notice if the planes were flying off course and change their altitude....i mean flying thru buildings are definitely not on the atcs standard flight path would it ? and i still am not convinced how a steel structured skyscraper (which was designed to withstand jet collision) can simply collapsed smoothly like that...like that of a building imploded from the inside by a controlled demolition....
I've just finished watching the clip. Dr Griffin covers that in quite lengthy detail in the video. NORAD supplied three different version of events. Reeks of a cover up to me.
Thanks for posting this Mike. I was quite sceptical considering the vid was an infowars one but that was an excellent presentation & it covered a few things I hadn't heard about. I think I'll pick up his book at some stage, I'd like to see some of his sources.
There's a fair bit of it on Multiply too. You've encountered my old mate whose name you use to use on another network... he ran a group on the topic. Now remains only for reference. Obviously I won't link, because he's a tosser... but someone's bound to eventually. Some good stuff on the physics and what-not in there. There's another, older group like it too, but that's a bit more 'Jihad' and 'New World Order'.
The official story is absolutely ridiculous. Debating it makes about as much sense as debating God. This video, however, is a pretty good overview of just how much nonsense there is involved in this gargantuan, despicable lie.
Guys, I have been a citizen of the US for 54 years now. If you want to tell me the CIA ran a clandistine operation to assinate somebody, I am with you. The organization was built for that, much as we don't want to admit it. If you want to tell me Cheney had a secret plan to control the world I will shrug and ask "what is the secret?"
But conspiracies as big as what you are postulating simply don't work here. Nixon found that out to his dismay, Madoff and Skilling at Enron found that out too. Sooner or later someone blabs. The system is not built to keep a secret. It sometimes takes 20 years, as in Kennedy with the deal he made with Russia trading the missiles in Cuba for the ones in Turkey. "They blinked first". Well, not exactly.
So 20 or so years from now, we will find out who is right.
BTW - Want to know who really was behind the assassination of JFK?
100 bucks. It WAS Jihadist Muslims in those planes. But the money trail leads through Pakistan, probably the ISI, Saudi Arabia, and God knows where else, right back to the Neo-Cons. If we're both alive and the truth comes out, you owe me 100 bucks. Deal?
That's genuinely tempting... you're in the same country, and you can pay me cash in my hand. But do I think, if there's been a diabolical false-flag cover-up, the truth will ever out? No, not really. They wouldn't even release the minutes of the Iraq meeting
One thing I'm certain of - those who say "the government wouldn't allow that to happen to it's own people" - garbage. Look at history. Of course they would.
I certainly don't discount Cossiga's statement.
AntwortenLöschenIMO It wouldn't have been that difficult to recruit the hijackers, it also bothers me that no one seems to have been able to explain why Mossad agents were in position "to observe" 9/11.
I believe Bush had an agenda when he was elected to go after Hussein, the timing of a terror attack on American soil was just too convenient...and the patriot act was already to go...
don't forget that the bushies also failed to proof the 911-iraq-alqaida connection and iraq's arsenal of lethal wmds, the "infamous 45 minute threat"....and i just can't believe that planes can fly pass the restricted airspace so easily without being intercepted by national airguard's f-16s...
AntwortenLöschenThe problem is nobody was ever convinced about the Saddam Hussein/Al Quaeda connection, were they?
AntwortenLöschenAnd I have no problem believing the American airforce were slow to react to the hijacked planes. When was the last time American soil had been attacked? Pearl Harbour. Gaps in time like that tend to make you a little rusty, not to mention overly secure.
The planes that hit the World Trade Center were unstoppable. The one that hit the Pentagon should have been intercepted. I don't recall anybody being disciplined for that one either. Curious.
AntwortenLöschenand in architectural history no steel framed building ever collapse because of 'fire' or because a plane hits it.... http://www.arup.com/fire/feature.cfm?pageid=6150 http://corrosion-doctors.org/Aircraft/el-al.htm
AntwortenLöschen*groan* how many times have I seen this argument...
AntwortenLöschenAnd how many times have buildings constructed like the twin towers been struck by planes as large and powerful as boeing 757's? Never. I also had a good conversation with a structural engineer on this topic. It was enough to make me dismiss stuff like this.
well, have there been any ? that building in amsterdam was struck by a boeing 747, much larger than the planes that hit the twin towers, man ? and have you visit this site http://www.ae911truth.org/ , or perhaps this http://www.public-action.com/911/firemen.html
AntwortenLöschenBoth Notty and I have been involved in a 1000+ post debate about this somewhere else, so we`re probably both a bit 9/11 conspiracy theoried out.
AntwortenLöschenhttp://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
A 757 is larger than a 747, and these were feuled for a cross-continent trip. They left from Boston, which at 300 mph is not that far from NYC time wise. The Towers were destroyed by the planes. Who sent 'em may be another question.
AntwortenLöschenTo be fair to the air traffic controllers, those were regularly scheduled flights, and while they were off their flight patterns, it would have been amazing if they had thought to call an air force base, and convinced them to scramble planes at that point.
As I said, the one that hit the Pentagon is another story...
hmmm...larger ? compare them here http://bp2.blogger.com/_rZAYtyme8JQ/RwjsGHlgKvI/AAAAAAAAAFk/9C_otpL4gBg/s1600-h/757-3s.gif
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http://bp2.blogger.com/_rZAYtyme8JQ/Rwjm-HlgKtI/AAAAAAAAAFU/1whao9o_Gfc/s1600-h/b747-400.jpg
although it's a scheduled flight, those planes are still monitored by the atcs right ? and have to answer to their comms ? surely the atc would've notice if the planes were flying off course and change their altitude....i mean flying thru buildings are definitely not on the atcs standard flight path would it ? and i still am not convinced how a steel structured skyscraper (which was designed to withstand jet collision) can simply collapsed smoothly like that...like that of a building imploded from the inside by a controlled demolition....
I've just finished watching the clip.
AntwortenLöschenDr Griffin covers that in quite lengthy detail in the video. NORAD supplied three different version of events. Reeks of a cover up to me.
Thanks for posting this Mike.
AntwortenLöschenI was quite sceptical considering the vid was an infowars one but that was an excellent presentation & it covered a few things I hadn't heard about.
I think I'll pick up his book at some stage, I'd like to see some of his sources.
did it?
AntwortenLöschenThere's a fair bit of it on Multiply too. You've encountered my old mate whose name you use to use on another network... he ran a group on the topic. Now remains only for reference. Obviously I won't link, because he's a tosser... but someone's bound to eventually. Some good stuff on the physics and what-not in there. There's another, older group like it too, but that's a bit more 'Jihad' and 'New World Order'.
AntwortenLöschenThe official story is absolutely ridiculous. Debating it makes about as much sense as debating God. This video, however, is a pretty good overview of just how much nonsense there is involved in this gargantuan, despicable lie.
Very crucial point. That alone will put many people off. I bet you're one of very few who have commented here who actually watched it.
AntwortenLöschenGuys, I have been a citizen of the US for 54 years now. If you want to tell me the CIA ran a clandistine operation to assinate somebody, I am with you. The organization was built for that, much as we don't want to admit it. If you want to tell me Cheney had a secret plan to control the world I will shrug and ask "what is the secret?"
AntwortenLöschenBut conspiracies as big as what you are postulating simply don't work here. Nixon found that out to his dismay, Madoff and Skilling at Enron found that out too. Sooner or later someone blabs. The system is not built to keep a secret. It sometimes takes 20 years, as in Kennedy with the deal he made with Russia trading the missiles in Cuba for the ones in Turkey. "They blinked first". Well, not exactly.
So 20 or so years from now, we will find out who is right.
BTW - Want to know who really was behind the assassination of JFK?
100 bucks. It WAS Jihadist Muslims in those planes. But the money trail leads through Pakistan, probably the ISI, Saudi Arabia, and God knows where else, right back to the Neo-Cons. If we're both alive and the truth comes out, you owe me 100 bucks. Deal?
AntwortenLöschenDeal. Of course I may pay you with the new $100 penny at the time... *grin*
AntwortenLöschenI`ll see your hundred and raise 1000!
AntwortenLöschenIf I`m still alive .............
That's genuinely tempting... you're in the same country, and you can pay me cash in my hand. But do I think, if there's been a diabolical false-flag cover-up, the truth will ever out? No, not really. They wouldn't even release the minutes of the Iraq meeting
AntwortenLöschenOne thing I'm certain of - those who say "the government wouldn't allow that to happen to it's own people" - garbage. Look at history. Of course they would.
AntwortenLöschenBack later... have something I want to post
AntwortenLöschenHey!! I want a piece of this action!!
AntwortenLöschennot until you change your MSN-esque avatar
AntwortenLöschenHow rude!!
AntwortenLöschenProbably.
AntwortenLöschenWill return to this. ..
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